Co-founder Jason Citron is stepping down, but will remain with the company as a member of the board of directors.

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      “Get off vent, or I’ll have you bent.”

      I wish those stupid videos weren’t the first thing my brain goes for when I see the word “Ventrilo.”

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        I assume that one was a joke, Ventrilo looks very out of date

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventrilo

        Revolt is nice though. Once they finish upgrading the app, it would be an easy switch

        I didn’t know about Fosscord (now called Spacebar it seems), it looks cool https://github.com/spacebarchat

        Spacebar is a free, opensource selfhostable discord-compatible chat, voice and video platform.

        • Discord-compatible (Use all your custom clients/bots with minimal changes)
        • Selfhostable (Server)
        • Open Source (GitHub Organization)
        • Configurable (Configure every aspect and limits to your needs)
        • Decentralized (no abuse of power and doesn’t have a single point of failure)
        • Extendable (secure and cross-platform plugin system)
        • Themeable (cross-platform theme system with design editor)
        • Secure (publicly audited and hosted FOSS software for transparent foundation in terms of security)
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          Spacebar looks to be exactly what I’ve been looking for! Unfortunately, according to their FAQ the voice and video features aren’t implemented yet but here’s hoping that someone comes on-board to help set it up 🤞definitely an easy decision for a self hosted Discord alternative if that comes to fruition!

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        Fosscord changed to “spacebar” a while back. If you want a more Discord-like experience, try the Cinny or Comet Matrix client. And on mobile the SchildiNext Chat client. Although I really can’t recommend Matrix as a replacement at all.

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          I just want an experience my friends aren’t too stumped by. I’ll give them a look! Thank you!

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            Matrix authentication process is confusing and annoying. If your friends aren’t technical, they’re going to have a bad time.

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    And so the hell-loop continues. Matrix seems like the closest successor, but having used it for awhile I would describe the experience as janky-but-workable. Signal’s good, but requires a phone number. I hear that Mumble’s good, but it’s overly focused on VoIP. Hopefully the alternatives polish themselves up before the enshittification gets too bad.

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          I also thought you could create an account without your phone number nowadays, but since I already have a phone-connected account, I haven’t tested. Only thing I found in their blog was this: https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/

          Until now, someone needed to know your phone number to reach you on Signal. Now, you can connect on Signal without needing to hand out your phone number. (You will still need a phone number to register for Signal.) This is where usernames come in.

          There are some newer post about other changes, but I haven’t checked them in detail.

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      There’s a huge opportunity not just for Matrix, but also for other open source or distributed players here, if they can move quickly enough.

      They won’t, though.

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    So glad I never got into that thing.

    Just doesn’t understand why so many people prefer Discord over forums. In terms of information preservation Discord sucks!

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      I hate how discord has replaced this forum culture in many places for this reason, but overall it’s incredibly good for participating in communities in real-time, especially smaller ones. I agree with the forum part, but aside from that it has also replaced IRC, Skype/MSN/ICQ, TeamSpeak, etc. all in one place, while even expanding on their features. It’s unbeaten for friend groups or smaller communities to create a space just for themselves that features text chat, voice chat, screen/video sharing etc.

      Unfortunately though the open source alternatives, even the ones trying to be fully compatible with discord, have not yet reached this featureset and usability level. Also one big issue with communications tools like this is they rely heavily on adoption. Doesn’t help me when I can convince my closest friends to switch to Matrix for example, when there’s so many more people that I interact with on a daily basis through discord who I have no control over. Especially when the alternative just doesn’t cut it for all these normies who don’t understand the implications of big companies controlling such exclusive spaces.

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      It’s even become mandatory by communities in some games, which is something I hate with passion. For instance, many MMORPG communities are on Discord these days (e.g. Guild Wars 2, more specifically the raiding scene).

      So I subscribed to these communities and started using Discord. I still don’t get the appeal, it’s a cluttered mess all over the place and it doesn’t feel intuitive to use. Maybe I’m getting old…

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      I think the main thing is that it’s the lowest friction for just sending a message, making a “post” gives people pause, but sending a message people will do no problem, so small communities get more activity in Discord than anywhere else

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      Hey, listen I know it’s bad and all but discord makes it really easy to create your own channel, customize it however you want and organize study/gaming with friends.

      Since it’s convenient and easy to setup and use, people use it for things they really shouldn’t.

      To bring back forums we need another equally easy to setup and host forums system that modernizes the bbs.

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        Modern BBSes aren’t an issue – they’re out there, and they’re pretty good these days – but the lack of VC funding that lets them fund massive user growth isn’t there, so the level of friction re: setting up your own remains high.

        Discord’s advantage is that it’s not just easy to set up, but also free. You’re not going to get that in the forum space anymore. ProBoards isn’t going to invest the money into making them sexy anytime soon.

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    Gonna go ahead and show my ignorance here, but why is this such a bad thing?

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      Shareholders want quick profits & they don’t care if the service shuts down in 10 years, or becomes largely unusable in 3-5.

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      Public companies have to account for the shareholdres’ expectation of, well, making money (and more money, and more money, and growing the numbers as much as possible). Shareholders have some degree influence on how the company works, depending on how many shares they own, e.g. they can vote for the CEO. This usually leads to the company to introducing more aggressive ways of making money off the users/customers, enshittification, etc., as it has to satisfy the shareholders and not so much the original customers.

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      Cause things that make most money for shareholders make the worst experience for the end user.

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      Because he “has experience managing a public company” and in his portfolio only focuses on cherry-picked KPIs and no mention of any negatives at all.

      I hate that our society encourages failing up and instead of punishment because of poor management skills and decisions, they do mass layoffs and give themselves fat bonuses because of “cost savings”.

      Frankly, if a company fails, they will ruin other companies; it’s never their fault because of “complicated reasons”.

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    My friends and I can always find 50 other apps for voice chatting, texting and screen sharing. What pisses me off royally is the thousands of companies/groups that decided instead of making forums or websites or GitHub pages, they would just host EVERYTHING from within Discord’s walled garden.

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    I apologize for sounding ignorant but what do people use discord for exactly?

    It could be that I don’t enough friends on it to replace text messaging.

    I tried to join a bunch of communities to replace Reddit with discord but the stream of consciousness design of the channel posts kinda muddles everything since you can’t really separate the replies from the submissions.

    I guess I should be happy I didn’t get invested in something that looks like it’s changing for the worse but kinda curious when I see people get really upset about change and wonder what I missed out on haha

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      Small note on Revolt: You can’t chat with other people which are on other servers. Revolt does not federate and is not encrypted!

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      I’ve got 2 gaming Discords I want to bridge with Matrix (and maybe Revolt too?) can you suggest an instance? one is for Deus Ex Randomizer, and the other is for The 7th Guest fan club

      Note that when you join a Space, you are not automatically joining all the rooms inside it.

      this is going to be a bit painful for people who are used to Discord

      you can search public rooms but not public Spaces? how do you find Spaces? they should’ve copied the good parts about Discord lol (EDIT: I found the way to search public Spaces, I guess it can’t search across instances though which is a shame, it probably wouldn’t require much disk space to index the name and description of every Matrix Space)

      I don’t even see rooms linking back to their Space?

      tchncs.de has a lot of public spaces, I created my account using my Google but it just assumed my username :(

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      I can’t tell for sure, but it doesn’t look like Revolt has voice chat yet? Which was what attracted my friend group to Discord initially.

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        Yeah, sadly most open source alternatives to discord either cannot do voice/video chat or cannot do it as well or seamlessly as discord did, partially because federated voice/video chat is not really a solved issue and partially because of money. Though even most of the centralised ones don’t really have voice/video chat that works well except for a few like Signal because they have the resources.

        Another problem is it’s based on p2p a lot of the time, whereas I think things like discord partially use their servers to facilitate it, I’ll check on this though.

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          Matrix could’ve implemented it with classic TURNS for a while now so the feature at least is there for those needing it, but they dug their own hole instead and focused so hard on their idea of a protocol they created software that hardly can do anything, and what is should be able to do it does really badly. Also for some reasons it was more important to throw away he concepts of “Communities” and build… “Places”. Now Element is a convoluted mess that <Error Decrypting Second Part of this Message>

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            Yeah, the people behind it always seemed to be more interested in getting corporate funding and thus gave corporations more what they wanted/needed instead of typical users and mods. This is part of the reason why I’m no longer interested in matrix main and more hard forks of it.

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            Matrix uses TURN, and the Matrix protocol is not used for carrying voice/video.

            Element is an independent client developed by Element, and not part of the Matrix protocol.

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              To my understanding they’re pushing those TURN connections through your home instance though? Wasn’t that the whole reason it takes so phenomenally long?

              Otherwise implementing WebRCT with TURN would be rather easy, there are ready-to-use modules and frameworks to do so in basically any language. Whatever it is that’s wrong with the teams behind Matrix, it causes Matrix (especially when used with Element) to be just awful and buggy.

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                The legacy jitsi-based rtc used turn, and so does matrixrtc I believe. I haven’t tried it myself, though.

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          Discord routes over their own servers and uses a private I3Dnet backbone to spread the signals across the world. The latter is one of the reasons why discord video is very good.

          If discord did any p2p there would be stories all over of people getting ddos-ed after joining a voice call / screenshare.

          In general, discords tech is pretty solid overall. The platform itself is just getting shittier.

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            Jitsi doesn’t have e2ee except in a few situations and they don’t seem interested in bringing e2ee to all platforms, or they can’t. It also is somewhat buggy with disconnects etc. Also it’s meant for one off calls or meetings compared to discord, but yeah, it’s okay for some situations.

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        I’m not sure, either. I haven’t used it yet, though that might come sooner than later after this announcement.