The texts, which faculty members said appeared to have gone to nearly all Barnard staff members, appear to be part of an aggressive new tactic by the Trump administration to collect reports of alleged antisemitism at Barnard, a women’s college affiliated with Columbia University that has come under heavy criticism for pro-Palestinian demonstrations on its campus.
Making a list of who is Jewish?
Dude… Really? I’m not sure if I should laugh, cry, or be terrorized inside.
Let’s put an end to antisemitism by – putting a star symbol highlighting the profile of every confirmed Jew or Israeli? Where have I heard this before…
I’m going to wager a wild guess: Jews and Israelis who oppose apartheid and genocide (IJV etc) and are facing harassment for it are not going to be considered as victims of harassment and discrimination. Only “good” Jews who are pro Israel will count, none of the “bad” ones. And nobody is going to even think of the word “antisemitism” when it comes to them being called JINOs.
Bad hombres
Its pretty obvious, as mentioned in the article that they are just fishing for someone who has been “harmed” by pro Palestinian protests for their lawsuits. Fishing for standing is what this is.
Problem is pro Palestinian people don’t hate Jews (with exceptions), they hate Israeli government, a quasi-fascist apartheid state. There is a real problem with equating anti-Israel sentiment with antisemitism. I don’t have a problem with Saudi people, but their government is awful. I have no problem with Afghan people, but the Taliban are cocksuckers.
There’s a real problem these days with governments not representing their people. The underclasses are going to have to break out the guillotines and straight up murder the rich in order to reset the cycle.
Man, I wrote this comment and I still feel like it took a couple of turns I wasn’t expecting.
but the Taliban are cocksuckers
There’s nothing wrong with that, but they are also boy-rapists.
doesnt help that israel, AIPAC have many people(politicians and university donors) in the west calling criticism against israel= antisemitic. even when this all came out jon stewart was pretty hesitant around calling out israel.
The mainstream media and main stream adjacent media were and still are pretty silent.
I don’t hate a lot of Americans but I sure can’t stand our President and the rest of his fascist enablers
It becomes a problem when pro Palestinians are purely anti Israel. The destruction of Israel is routinely demanded, which would mean death and displacement for half the world’s Jews.
A truly pro Palestinian position would also be against the religious fanatics of Hamas and their disregard for the wellbeing of Palestinians.
The destruction of Israel is routinely demanded, which would mean death and displacement for half the world’s Jews.
This is not true. Zero of the resistance groups, Hamas or otherwise, have ever had the goal of eradicating all Israelis. They are anti-colonialst resistance movements fighting for their humanity and sovereignty, not genocidal movements like Zionism. They exist due to Israel’s unbelievably violent ethnic cleansing of local populations, which are justified and celebrated by Israelis because of the ethnosupremacy baked into Zionism.
The destruction of Israel means the end of Israel as a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate, of the Occupation, of the Apartheid, of the Genocide. It means the creation of a new State where Palestinians have equal rights to Israelis. Palestinians are not inherently primitive and antisemitic, which is the underlying sentiment baked into that idea equating the two. Zionism is an inherently Supremacist ideology and dehumanizes Palestinians in order to justify the Ethnic Cleansing and Settler Colonialism.
That entire argument is based on a false premise and is completely at odds with the history as I pointed out earlier. It ignores the reality of Partition, the nakba, sabra and shatila, the deliberate plans of ethnic cleansing and settlements, the creation of the PLO, Hamas, and other resistance groups as a reaction to the fascist violence of Zionism, the apartheid, and the details of the peace process including the Oslo Accords where Israel has wielded to continue ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism for decades.
Peace Process and Resolution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.
If I could pick a nit or two, Jewish people internationally are not responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. Israeli citizens might be – and while Netanyahu and Likud are extremely controversial in Israel, they do represent a significant and very vocal portion of the Israeli voting public. Worse, general Israeli sentiment towards Palestine and Palestinians is not good – 60% of Israelis still support the war after 18 months of wholesale civilian slaughter in Gaza. 70% support the ongoing settlement and annexation of the West Bank. The positions of the major Israeli parties on Palestinian lives and rights differ from Netanyahu’s “kill 'em all” approach mostly in degree rather than in kind.
To put the rotten cherry on the shit cake, Israel has one of the highest rates of dual citizenship in the world, with ~10% of Israelis holding two passports. Unlike the other countries you named, a significant fraction of Israelis could just leave if they no longer wanted to co-sign their government’s genocide in Gaza. I am perfectly willing to hold the Israeli people responsible for the actions of their government, moreso than I am for the other countries you mentioned. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine was not forced on them against the popular will. They chose this, and continue to choose this, by a large majority.
Yeah. I mean. It’s the Middle East. There’s no clear moral solution (though it sure as fuck isn’t genocide). There is a huge grain of salt that needs to accompany any hot takes including mine.
If the parties involved wanted a clear moral solution there’s a very clear precedent in the form of South Africa’s truth and reconciliation process. For that to happen, though, Israelis would have to be willing to acknowledge Palestinians’ fundamental right to exist, and as I noted above they’re currently opposed to that by a 2:1 ratio, and Palestinians do not have the power or tools to force the issue. The international community would have to drag Israel to the negotiation table kicking and screaming, and as long as they’ve got the US on their side that’s not going to happen. Realistic political solutions seem remote right now, sure – but if you’re just talking about a moral one, it’s shockingly simple.
You are right that coming together and accepting one another’s right to peacefully coexist is the moral thing to do, but as that is a practical impossibility I didn’t/don’t really credit it as a moral solution (failing the second word of the phrase, not the first).
But look, people way smarter than me have tried to crack this nut and failed. I guarantee it won’t take a lot of effort to poke holes in anything I could say about this. I have my thoughts but always tempered by the understanding that I have more ignorance than knowledge about the realities of that situation.
I get your point not equating Jews with the Israeli government, but it was tye Israeli population the one blocking the humanitarian aid trunks, the ones who keep voting for their apartheid state and who keep the army full of bodies.
Somewhat semi-related question: Do you believe Trump being elected was as a result of a systemic failure (money in politics, propaganda/brainwashing, and such)?
Also, do you blame Americans in general for ICE becoming the Gestapo?
Well we shouldn’t equate Jews to the Jewish Israeli population either.
I mean that’s fair, but the American people also voted for Trump and I don’t really get a say in how we are mistreating immigrants, so I don’t hold individual Jews accountable for their government unless they support advocate for that government and those tactics.
Ah yes. Let’s have the government collect a list of all the Jewish people. That generally ends well.
They’re following their role model’s playbook to a t.
I don’t like a lot of what this administration does but if they uncover and stop one or more malicious people from harming others, I’ll take it. It doesn’t mean I’ll become a political supporter but I’m not going to refuse some good out of spite.
if they uncover and stop one or more malicious people from harming others, I’ll take it
They want to punish pro-Palestinian demonstrators by falsely claiming they are antisemitic.
by falsely claiming they are antisemitic.
A significant number of them are true antisemites. Not all ofcourse, probably not even the majority but there’s plenty of them.
Palestinians are also semites. Stop pushing this idiotic propoganda narrative.
Criticism of the horrific actions of the government of Israel is not criticism of an entire people.
The term is no longer used as such. Antisemite means a person who hates Jews, and many of the “pro-Palestine” people are such - including a huge number of Palestinians and Muslims in general. It’s not a propaganda narrative - it’s a fact. The destruction of Israel and Jews is Hamas’s stated goal.
The Hour will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims will kill them, until the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him—except the gharqad tree, for it is one of the trees of the Jews.
Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6985
You just did a not too subtle thing where you transitioned immediately from pro-palestine not being genocided to pro Hamas.
You can’t just casually conflate those. Stop it
I literally don’t even understand what you’re trying to accuse me of.
I’m not going to walk you through how the English language works. You’re a big boy
But… It’s not good. One last time, loudly for the people in the back:
Being pro-Palestine or anti-genocide is not “antisemitism”.
In my experience the people in the back have their fingers in their ears and are going “lalalalalala”.
Threatening someone because they are Jewish is antisemitic, however.
Only if they’re being threatened because they’re Jewish. For example, an armed robber who pays no mind to victim’s ethnicity wouldn’t be antisemitic just because they mugged a Jewish person.
And just because a person says they’ve been threatened doesn’t mean they have been. For example, some people feel threatened (or pretend to be) if their political views are challenged.
They’re attacking free speech - people protesting against an actual literal genocide, and pretending it’s to stop antisemitism (ignoring that the Palestinians are ALSO semites)
Antisemitism is defined by hatred of Jews, as coined by the German group Anti-Semites who wanted to have a fancier name than Jew-Haters.
It doesn’t really matter for anything that Palestinians are akshually semites.
It’s like arguing that racism is not a thing because technically human races do not exist outside pseudoscientific eugenics.
It does matter. If youre anti-genecide youre probably pro-jew
What does that even mean?
My comment argues that claiming antisemitism includes discrimination against anyone who is a semite has zero historical basis. It would also now exclude many Jews who are not semites yet were targeted by the Anti-Semites.
Of course genocide is bad. But anyone arguing Palestinians should be genocided because they are all “antisemites” will never be convinced by arguments. Therefore, there is no point in attempting to adjust the definition of antisemitism.
Protests are fine but were there not threats and low-grade acts of aggression that targeted Jewish people at some of these campuses?
Then have law enforcement investigate it. Oh that’s right, there is no investigation because it isn’t happening.
It’s fucking disgusting that you support a president harassing and threatening individual citizens over imaginary crimes so he can punish dissenters.
You’re not going to like it when we use these powers against traitors like you in 4 years. We’ll see how you feel when YOUR free speech is treated as a criminal act.
Things like this didn’t happen?
NYP is a right wing propoganda outlet. They lied about all kinds of shit to get Donny Dipshit elected. Find a better source. That’s a Murdoch (owner of fox) rag
AP is neutral enough for you?
In its report, the task force cited incidents where Jewish students had been threatened or shoved, or subjected to blatantly antisemitic symbols like swastikas.
But it also described a broader pattern of Jewish students feeling ostracized from classmates who had once been friends.
This is all very vague, and given that I’ve seen video of people carrying Israeli flags and harassing the anti genocide protests, those same people then turning around and claiming antisemitism against themselves can account for some of those reports.
I’m sure it’s happened. But this doesn’t even draw a link to those protests. We know the right wing is very anti Jewish given how often they march with those swastikas mentioned in the article.
Oh, so that means it’s okay to lie and claim that anybody protesting has the same motivation?
