The letter seems to be fitting into a pattern of pro-Israel organizations, such as Canary Mission and Betar, targeting critics of Israel’s military actions, as well as supporters of Palestinian self-determination. Betar says it has provided lists of noncitizen protesters to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Department of Homeland Security, and other government agencies, recommending deportation.

  • Dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    114·
    10 days ago

    No need to put home in quotes. Jews are native to the region of today’s Palestine/Israel as Arabs and Muslims are.

    • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      121·
      10 days ago

      Jews are native to the region of today’s Palestine/Israel as Arabs and Muslims are.

      If I lived in your neighborhood and came and kicked you out of your house at gunpoint would that be OK because I am “native to the region”?

      What does “native to the region” even mean ethically or legally? “Regions” arent how land ownership works. Its a nonsense term designed to imply ownership where no ownership exists. You should be ashamed of yourself for writing that nonsense.

      • Dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        29·
        10 days ago

        I just wanted to say that Jews and many Arab ethnicities have historically lived in the region of Levante, which is today’s Israel and Palestine. And therefore both people claim the land to be theirs, which is historically correct in both cases. I wasn’t even implying one of the groups have more of a right to it than the other.

        • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          7 days ago

          therefore both people claim the land to be theirs

          No. Thats not the way land ownership works. Its not the international understanding, the palestinian understanding, or the torah understanding. So where did you pull that understanding from exactly? From your rear, right. As some sort of lame excuse to retroactively justify terrorism and the land theft they terrorize for. You should be ashamed of yourself. And if you are in any civilized country you should be tried and then punished for supporting terrorism. Your views are not OK.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          42·
          10 days ago

          And if you go further back, we all came from Africa. Who fucking cares?

          People were driven from their ancestral homes. I could not care less if the people doing the driving out had a great great great great great great great Uncle that probably lived in that general area. That’s meaningless.

    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      10 days ago

      That’s true, Zionism is explicitly about the ethnic cleansing of the native Palestinians and settler colonialism. There has always been Jewish and Christian Palestinians in historic Palestine

      • Dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        211·
        10 days ago

        That’s simply not true and almost bigotry. You have all the reason and right to hate the Israeli government and their war crimes, but you can’t generalize all Zionism because of the action of the Israeli government.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          42·
          10 days ago

          Major copium. I think maybe you’ve twisted the definition of “Zionism” into something a little more vague that allows you to continue supporting the thing you want to support without feeling bad.

          The person above you’s definition of Zionism is completely accurate.

        • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          9 days ago

          Zionism has always been a fascist ideology.

          Quotes

          Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

          The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.

          An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.

          The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities

          • Simha Flapan
          10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe

          The “ten myths” that Pappe explores reinforce the regional status quo. He explores the claim that Palestine was an empty land at the time of the Balfour Declaration, as well as the formation of Zionism and its role in the early decades of nation building. He asks whether the Palestinians voluntarily left their homeland in 1948, and whether June 1967 was a war of “no choice.” Turning to the myths surrounding the failures of the Camp David Accords and the official reasons for the attacks on Gaza, he explains why the two state solution, in his view, is no longer viable.

          Israeli historian Ilan Pappe: ‘This is the last phase of Zionism’

          Ilan Pappe: We are in a state that one can define as neo-Zionist. The old values of Zionism are now more extreme, [in] far more aggressive form than they were before, trying to achieve in a short time what the previous generation of Zionists were trying to achieve in [a] much longer, more, incremental, gradual way.

          This is an attempt by a new leadership of Zionism to complete the work that they started in 1948, namely of taking over officially the whole of historical Palestine and getting rid of as many Palestinians as possible and in the same process, and [this is] something new, creating a new Israeli empire that is either feared or respected by its neighbours – and therefore can even expand territorially beyond the borders of mandatory or historical Palestine.

          Ethnic Cleansing prior to 1948:

          Planned occupation and the beginnings of systemic apartheid:

          Historian Works on the History

          Adi Callai has done a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history

            • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              9 days ago

              Anti-zionism is not Antisemitism. Your conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic.

              Zionism is anti-Semitic at it’s core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it’s inception as a colonialist movement.

    • palordrolap@fedia.io
      91·
      10 days ago

      The quotes were because “home” both is and isn’t the right word. There are a lot of people in this world who might still think of the house they grew up in as “home” on some level, but in many cases, that property is in the hands of strangers now.

      For example, I have a relative who not only lived in but was born in a house that remained in the family until a couple of decades ago, and I think they’d dearly love to be able to go back there. Even so, I don’t think the current occupants would be best pleased if my relative decided to go “home” without some kind of arrangement, especially if they decided they were going to move in.

      Feel free to generalise or pick apart this metaphor.

    • MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      10 days ago

      Oh fantastic! My ancestors are mostly Scottish, I didn’t realise when I moved here to Scotland that I could just TAKE some land! Off to appropriate my next door neighbour’s back garden, they aren’t using it much. Next week: taking over the house my great great grandfather built. It’s by the beach!