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Summary
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.
Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.
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So, approximately 90 days worth of casualties.
The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it’s propaganda? or is it just that desperate?
The Kremlin is confident that they will kill as many protesters as will be required to destroy any uprising.
The pushback was for the mobilisation, while this is a start of a routine conscription event, these happen twice every year
Maybe I should just Google it but… do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?
The amount of Russians leaving the country to avoid conscription was very high. You can’t really hide that. There are stories of men being kept hidden to avoid the press gangs. But all of that is probably par for the course considering the amount of soldiers dying on foreign soil.
This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.
Ehh sorry. I assumed/hoped you were talking about something more, that I wasn’t aware of. I know of these protests, but they were not nearly intense enough to disrupt the system. Much of the urban youth that might have led the protests has left the country in the meantime too, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the next round of recruitment is met with even weaker resistance…
There were protests and hundred of thousands of young Russian men left the country after Putin announced the first “partial” mobilisation. The recruitment process was also botched and conscripted even the disabled and old.
effect of its* propaganda
Both sides have resorted impressment to refill their ranks, regardless of public pushback men can still get bagged into a van on the street and sent to the front lines.
Vlad should call his MAGA supporters to join his cause and it will fulfill their need for violence.
Also they would take heavy casualties. Use them as pure cannon fodder.
From what I’ve seen on the reddit right-leaning subs most of them are very against the entire war and sending money/troops at all.
Politicians never fight their wars. Conscription is slavery.
The ruling class never fights their wars, either.
Oh hey this is a shift for you. Maybe you’re all about Russian military aggression until you find out that you might need to actually get your hands dirty?
Maybe not.
As we all know, repeatedly drafting several divisions worth of men is a sign you’re winning the war…
Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia’s demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians at home, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.
They still only have 20 percent of the country. After years. At this rate they will run out of people before Ukraine runs out of territory.
You are right and coming out of that war footing when all the bill are due? Diaster
Russia isn’t going to have any young men left.
Might finally play against some non russian cs2 mic spammers
That’s a problem because?
Take a look around, it would seem they have plenty in America to draw from.
You see Ukranians have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit, and shut down.
Are they going to be equipped like the Russian soldiers in late WWII? One soldier gets a rifle, the other gets five bullets, and both get helmets the thickness of tin cans.
That is ww1. Not world war 2. The whole ‘wait for your comrade to die and take his weapons’ did not happen during ww2. It did happen in ww1.
Russian soldiers in late WW2 were typically very well equipped, as were most soldiers by that stage in the war (even German soldiers were pretty decently equipped late war, though mostly due to having almost no soldiers left to equip).
Late summer 1941 and even at points during Stalingrad, sure there were definitely times when soviet soldiers were being thrown into battle massively underequipped, but this was the exception rather than the rule.
By 1944 (even by 1943) the Red Army was more mechanised than the Wehrmacht and was better at Blitzkrieg than the Wehr ever were.
Lend lease really helped with mechanization. The jeeps and trucks they had were indispensable for the war effort. We often talk about guns and bombs, but people don’t realize how important transportation and heavy machinery is.
“Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars.”
Without logistics the infantry cannot win anything.
Conscripting babies.
And it’s 1 2 3 what are we fighting for don’t ask me I don’t give a damn next stop is Zaporizhzhia
That’s a lot of meat for the grinder
Love this for the Russians. Maybe they’ll wake up and take this boot off their necks one day
How many will be oligarchs sons?
Or even any from large cities?
BYOB - System of a Down
My first thought was CCR - Fortunate son
We can’t make it here anymore - James McMurtry also has something to say on the subject.
i love that song
Clearly showing what he really thinks of Trump’s bullshit “peace” plan.
Rest in peace you poor bastards. Forced to fight a rich mans war… for nothing.
Yep so many will due horribly because of their awful dictator
This is America’s future. Conscription is in Project 2025 and make no mistakes about it. The Christian Nationalist Death Cult would love to send you to the front.
Nah I’m too trans to be let in even as a conscript. They would rather just kill me domestically 🎉
The Christian Nationalist Death Cult would love to send you to the front.
To fight for Russia against Ukraine or Israel against Iran. Maybe if they’re in a good mood, you’ll be able to choose which genocide you participate in.
Isn’t conscription already a thing in USA? Many countries silently paused conscription but it’s just there
Not since the 70’s
That’s the other guys point. We haven’t used it since the 70s, but the system is still in place to be used. Easy to fire it up again.
My point was at least half or more of the US population has little-to-no-memory of what that was like.
My dad was drafted during the Vietnam era but I’m in my 50’s and have no actual memory of that time.
I know it happened but I was really young when they stopped the draft and we’ve had several generations born since then who also have no memory of it.
It would be politically dangerous for a government to restart a draft absent an actual world war-type situation or a dictatorship.
The religious nutters will form a White Christian unit copying the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, march with the goose step and all of the sick fucks will have Jerusalem Cross tattoos.
Conscription will start after the US economy completely swirls down the shitter leaving all sorts of skid marks.
This is America’s future. Conscription is in Project 2025
Americans could still prevent that future if a few million of them got off their asses and took action against the fascist takeover of their country.
But that would get in the way of watching American idol, and HoneyBooBoo reruns, wouldn’t it…
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Lol have you seen kids these days? I’d be surprised if more than 15 percent are fit for service, and of that 15% maybe half would pass a drug screen.
Kids in the 1960s were the same, and the USA still sent them off to get killed, maimed, and traumatized for the rest of their lives.
It’s a fucking depressing state of affairs…
All in the name of… checks notes
Fighting communism.
Really puts into perspective who is pulling the strings over in the Land of Freedom. Here’s a hint: their children are never the ones to die in a war.
It’s genius, really. Convincing the working class to literally sacrifice their children for a system that supports the ruling class. Brilliant.
No, childhood obesity is way up since then.
Fat people can still fly drones and kill political enemies
Have you seen what Russia is throwing out to get blown up? As long as you can absorb some rounds they don’t care.
According to this article, project 2025 doesn’t do that. It proposes requiring students to take the military ASVAB test. Which honestly isn’t the worst idea. In my high school they recommended people who didn’t know what they wanted to do for a career to take it even if they weren’t going into the military.
They are planning to make all public school kids take the test but not the private school kids. It will be for conscription. They will know where to throw your ass to make the meat grinder run better. That’s the only reason for this bullshit
Believable, and on point for these fascists, but you got a source? OP does.
Private schools don’t have to follow the same requirements as public schools already. The person above you is just inferring that since they’re already separate in the current system, the new ASVAB requirement would also be separate. But until it becomes an actual law, it isn’t super useful arguing hypotheticals in this context.
I think it’s a very useful point to flag. These details are important.
Huh… They made all of us take it. But I went to school in a rural red state in the mid 90s.
You went to the shit schools, I went to school in the south, they gerrymandered them so the kids of poor parents took them while the rich kids didn’t (and got actual schooling).
Yep 100% went to a shit school. I’d not be surprised if the asvab paid the school for each person that took it
Doesn’t that just make it easier for the US to conscript people?
Just fail it so that you would need a waiver to join
That just means you are the cannon fodder style infantry. You’ll be the guy sent out to catch a drone or two.
Just fail it
So you can be shuffled in with the grunts rather than the officers?
The military loves putting dumb-dumbs through basic and stacking them on the front lines to catch stray bullets.
I mean, you can also fail out at basic too IIRC.
Also, you need a college degree to be a commissioned officer.
You only fall out of basic if you’re an invalid. The military is very good at beating compliance into anyone else.
You can absolutely get chaptered out for failing basic multiple times.
Or if ever American says they’re gay, they’d never join the military because DEI and such.
Or just be black, brown, Asian, trans, a celebrity or rich. America doesn’t want any of that in the military either
They don’t want poc or women to be career.
They want women pregnant, so they are “safe” in that sense. They want white officers commanding brown conscripts to go do the dying.
Just don’t ace it or every branch of the military will start harassing you at home trying to get you to join.
It’s a 3 hour aptitude test. Are you good at math? Are you good at electronics? Etc. I would imagine it’s a minor speed bump to joining the military.
No physical component?
No. The hardest math is some insanely light algebra too. X = 5y kind of stuff.
It still opens the door to enlistment and being harassed to join the military, conning poor kids into making a mistake.
I mean, I was harassed to enlist despite actively going to college (officers usually get a commission after college), despite repeatedly telling them I was not interested and never taking the test.
Yeah you’re just meat and bone to a recruiter. They have monthly quotas and will pull any old shit to hit them, just like any salesman.
I knew guy in boot camp that had a 4 yr degree. The recruiter had convinced him that he should enlist as a medical corpsman to get college money to become a doctor. The bullshit here is that the military will 100% prepay for your medical degree as long as you commit to a commision as an officer in the military as a doctor afterwards.
This was in the initial “intake” part of boot camp, so I dont know how it ended up for him, but the drill sergeants, who were not kind during the rest of the experience, were absolutely incensed at what happened to him. They were absolutely livid. Hopefully someone got him into the officer path that was available to enlisted and got him out of there, but some recruiter likely fucked over years of this guys life just to hit a qouta.
