You check the crash logs

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        It’s an ontological argument. OP is creating a categorical distinction where “sound” is the cognitive process by which pressure waves are perceived, eg as information. I think it’s a fairly common distinction to make, but it is also kind of unsatisfying is the sense that it feels a bit like linguistic nihilism.

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        Is tinnitus a sound?

        Is bone conduction sound?

        Are the signals a cochlear implant produce sound?

        Sound is a perception. Sound waves are what can generate that perception. But sound doesn’t always require soundwaves, so there is a difference.

        It’s very much a “dancing on the head of a pin” distinction, but the baseline joke also requires it.

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          Yes, those all are sounds.

          From Wikipedia:

          Tinnitus is a variety of sound that is heard when no corresponding external sound is present.

          Should have been more distinct. Sounds are just vibration, they don’t need to go through air.

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            But neither tinnitus or cochlear implants have any vibration associated. If they are sounds then sounds are more than just vibrations. At the same time, not all vibrations are sounds.

            The argument is that sound is part of our internal processing of sensations. If there is no brain to perceive it, is it a sound, or just a vibration in the air?

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      Yes and no. It all depends in what field you’re describing sound. In physics, a tree that fell in the forest most definitely made a sound. In psychology, it doesn’t.

      In physics, sound is a vibration that propagates as an acoustic wave through a transmission medium such as a gas, liquid or solid.

      In human physiology and psychology, sound is the reception of such waves and their perception by the brain.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound

      To be honest, I’m with the physicists.