Depends on whether you think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp.
If they are, being instruments of racial and economic genocide, America has nearly 10x as many concentration camps as China with less than a quarter of the population. That’s not really a fair comparison though, given how much China loves centralization, so it’s probably better to talk about the number of people involved.
Current estimates place about 1-1.5 million Uyghurs in the camps. “Regular” prisoners account for another 1.7 million. There are currently 1.9 million US prisoners.
If we go ahead and give potential credit to all Chinese prisoners as victims of political and ethnic persecution as we have for American prisoners (as ACAB), that still leaves America with a wildly disproportionate prison population per capita. While China openly imprisons political dissidents and ethnic/religious minorities at nearly an equivalent rate to “regular” crimes.
So, do you honestly think we currently have fewer concentration camps in a way that matters? What’s it going to look like once we really start going?
I don’t think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp. Gitmo for sure, but a normal prison not really. There’s bias in the system, but you don’t go to jail for just being black/latino/gay/muslim (yet). And AFAIK they don’t steal your organs (again, yet).
As I said, there’s bias in the system, but for now you’re not put in prison just for being black. There’s an attempt at legitimacy. Acab, driving while black, stop and frisk, etc, not only the war on drugs… but there’s still a big gap to “go to jail for being Muslim and since you have two kids we’re sterilizing you”.
About homelessness being a crime, doesn’t surprise me in the least. My mind was blown when I learned “loitering” is a legal term. It is illegal to “be somewhere”, even if are not homeless. However you keep your kidneys in the morning, so… yay?
Not really. Again according to the UN report nothing China has done is special compared to just normal American prisons. Except fewer uighurs as a percentage of their population were ever imprisoned than just black men as a percentage of the total black population.
If what you believe happened in Xinjiang is genocide, America is currently commiting genocide on twice the scale for the past 120 years.
I’d love to see that UN report. Please link it, or at least copy-paste the section comparing the two. I want to see how they sterilize and how they steal organs from Americans.
No UN report has ever found sterilization or organ harvesting happening in Xinjiang. Ever. At literally any point. There were unsubstantiated claims of that from the same people saying the suicide bombers were justified.
China has more mosques than the US, and Xinjiang is majority Muslim.
They also have more concentration erh, I mean, re-education camps. For now, at least.
Depends on whether you think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp.
If they are, being instruments of racial and economic genocide, America has nearly 10x as many concentration camps as China with less than a quarter of the population. That’s not really a fair comparison though, given how much China loves centralization, so it’s probably better to talk about the number of people involved.
Current estimates place about 1-1.5 million Uyghurs in the camps. “Regular” prisoners account for another 1.7 million. There are currently 1.9 million US prisoners.
If we go ahead and give potential credit to all Chinese prisoners as victims of political and ethnic persecution as we have for American prisoners (as ACAB), that still leaves America with a wildly disproportionate prison population per capita. While China openly imprisons political dissidents and ethnic/religious minorities at nearly an equivalent rate to “regular” crimes.
So, do you honestly think we currently have fewer concentration camps in a way that matters? What’s it going to look like once we really start going?
I don’t think a baseline American prison is a concentration camp. Gitmo for sure, but a normal prison not really. There’s bias in the system, but you don’t go to jail for just being black/latino/gay/muslim (yet). And AFAIK they don’t steal your organs (again, yet).
https://eji.org/news/nixon-war-on-drugs-designed-to-criminalize-black-people/
Don’t forget it’s a crime to be homeless now. Look forward to that.
As I said, there’s bias in the system, but for now you’re not put in prison just for being black. There’s an attempt at legitimacy. Acab, driving while black, stop and frisk, etc, not only the war on drugs… but there’s still a big gap to “go to jail for being Muslim and since you have two kids we’re sterilizing you”.
About homelessness being a crime, doesn’t surprise me in the least. My mind was blown when I learned “loitering” is a legal term. It is illegal to “be somewhere”, even if are not homeless. However you keep your kidneys in the morning, so… yay?
Not really. Again according to the UN report nothing China has done is special compared to just normal American prisons. Except fewer uighurs as a percentage of their population were ever imprisoned than just black men as a percentage of the total black population.
If what you believe happened in Xinjiang is genocide, America is currently commiting genocide on twice the scale for the past 120 years.
I’d love to see that UN report. Please link it, or at least copy-paste the section comparing the two. I want to see how they sterilize and how they steal organs from Americans.
No UN report has ever found sterilization or organ harvesting happening in Xinjiang. Ever. At literally any point. There were unsubstantiated claims of that from the same people saying the suicide bombers were justified.
Oh, so no link? Comparing the two? I’m so, so, so surprised. What a shocking turn of events. I’m flabbergasted.
…i never claimed there was. I know English isn’t your first language but I thought all you westerners had to learn it properly.
Too bad what you wrote is still there…
Correct, the correct interpretation is that a report the UN published, when compared with the public knowledge of us prisons is nothing special.
As in you, the reader, do the comparison to come to a conclusion, instead of having people feed you what options you should have.
I know the Americans banned critical thought in schools, did that extend to your country as well?