Induced milk production through selective breeding and hormones (Leads to mastitis, milk fever, early death)
Pre-Slaughter Transportation and Starvation (Exposed to elements in extreme winter cold and summer heat, purposefully starved to decrease risk of fecal contamination)
Taking our anger out on innocent animals and harming the environment and your own health because of a comment on the internet is the sign of a strong mind.
Half of these things have fallen out of practice since the 1980s. Clearly you even surfing facebook feeds for your sources. You’ve never been on a farm and it shows. You are very outdated, being hyperbolic to go beyond reason and to breed and feed on anxiety. You over shot. While domesticated cows are under much stress, being sensationalist about it is to be disingenuous. You are the bad actor here for all sides. And while it can come from a place of good intention as far as you’re concerned, as all bad acts do too. Do we need to stop drinking milk? Yea. But Stop spreading misinformation. It was inappropriate to stir anxiety and not necessary to lie to get that message across.
I don’t use Facebook lol. I’m glad we agree that dairy farming causes severe suffering for cows and their calves, hugely impacts climate change, and that we need to stop doing it for their own benefit, and ours.
All of these practices still definitely happen on various farms around the world, especially in factory farming, and the worst of them are the standard practice. For example, cows make breast milk for their baby calves, not for humans. It’s exploitation by its very nature for humans to steal that milk. In almost all cases, the calves are denied the milk, separated from their mothers and killed for veal. Cows are artificially inseminated to keep them continually pregnant to produce milk, and have been selectively bred to overproduce so much that it very often causes them mastitis, lameness, spinal issues and destroys their bodies over time; sometimes they collapse completely. Once they can no longer produce milk, they too are killed for cheap beef at only 4-6 years old when they can live until 20-25. Any exception to this is rare, still involves immense harm to cows and calves, and can’t provide enough dairy for everyone (especially for cheese, which uses 10x as much milk than milk itself).
Dairy farming is unsustainable and cruel, and the products are unhealthy for humans and contribute to inflammation and disease. Lactose intolerance in adulthood was the natural state of humans for a reason. The lactose persistent gene is an unnatural adaptation and doesn’t prevent the health impacts of dairy.
I’m not accusing you of being a bot, I’m asking what it was about my comment that made you react to it and not the other comments mentioning milk. I grew up on a dairy farm and like somebody else mentioned, most of the things you mention are just not common practice anymore. At least not in the west.
Well that’s simply not true, I actually counted the practices I referenced and at least 14 out of 19 are standard practice in just about every dairy operation, are unavoidable on a large scale, and the other ones are extremely common as well. Also, thinking “the west” is better for animals is really misguided, since the US, Australia and the UK have some of the worst animal welfare standards in the world, and for example 99% of animal products come from factory farmed animals in the US. While more streamlined in developed countries, by all accounts, other countries aren’t quite as cruel toward animals as most western countries. This does have a lot to do with the fact that wealthier nations consume a lot more animal products than poorer nations on average. Take that as what you will. I’m not trying to point fingers at specific countries since every country in the world treats animals terribly in farming systems, and it couldn’t be any other way while we as a society are all consuming these products that need to be mass produced for a (rapidly increasing) human population.
I reacted to your comment because it was the first and only comment I saw that supported using milk. I only said I’m not a robot to explain that by my human nature, I didn’t read every comment, and I only have a limited amount of time that I would spend on social media like this in general, let alone this specific comments section. And also, making the point once is probably enough for a lot of people to see it. My goal was achieved already. I’m sorry to single you out, or if you felt that was unfair. Rest assured, I blame everyone for supporting animal agriculture equally.
Nice false appeal to hypocrisy to deflect away from the issue of animal exploitation, and blatant whataboutism. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. That’s a terrible argument.
“Hey, stop beating kids!”
“BuT I sAw yOu UsInG a SmArTpHoNe!”
So as per your own admission (pretty much any device you could be using), that’s essentially unavoidable in the current world we live in if you want to be a functional person. Are animal products avoidable? Yes.
That said, I bought my phone second hand from someone who doesn’t have an incentive or means to sell more. So I did not financially support any of the practices involved in the production. And only once it breaks down completely, my next phone will be a Fairphone, which is essentially the only ethical phone and didn’t exist when I got my current phone. What’s your next argument? Oh wait, all the arguments against veganism/defending animal exploitation are just bad faith, rubbish attempts to avoid addressing your own behaviour anyway.
I don’t need 17 things,Just sugar and milk is fine.
You can add sugar to many things and they’ll taste ok.
By consuming dairy, you’re funding these abuses done to innocent dairy cows:
Restraint / Restricted movement
Repeated Artificial insemination (anal and vaginal rape, sexual abuse) and forced pregnancies
Electroejaculation (Forced ejaculation, anal rape, sexual abuse)
Dehorning / debudding (cutting / burning off horns, without anesthetic)
Ear tagging (no anesthetic)
Tail docking (cutting off the tail, no anesthetic)
Branding (no anesthetic)
Nose ringing (to prevent the baby calve from suckling, no anesthetic)
Udder singe (burning an udder to remove the hair, no anesthetic)
High stocking density (cramped, unhygienic conditions, infections go untreated, shit everywhere)
Cannibalism (Blood and Bone Meal, How do you think Mad Cow started?)
Separation from child (calves) immediately after birth (so we can get that milk)
Killing of calves immediately if deemed unprofitable (throat slit alive, bolt to head, hammered to death)
Veal calves (Social deprivation, tight confinement, and restricted movement [to keep the meat tender], killed at 4-6 months of age)
Growth Hormones and antibiotics
Induced milk production through selective breeding and hormones (Leads to mastitis, milk fever, early death)
Pre-Slaughter Transportation and Starvation (Exposed to elements in extreme winter cold and summer heat, purposefully starved to decrease risk of fecal contamination)
The murder of someone who does not want to die (bolt in the head, throat slit, skinned alive)
Killed at only 5 years old on average (natural lifespan is 20 years)
Cows milk is for baby cows!
If you dislike these practices, you can easily stop funding them by going vegan.
I’m going to buy a burger after work becuase of this comment alone.
Taking our anger out on innocent animals and harming the environment and your own health because of a comment on the internet is the sign of a strong mind.
Trying to guilt trip everyone with a novel just because you read the word milk is not helping your agenda. Just a heads-up.
I’m glad we agree
Half of these things have fallen out of practice since the 1980s. Clearly you even surfing facebook feeds for your sources. You’ve never been on a farm and it shows. You are very outdated, being hyperbolic to go beyond reason and to breed and feed on anxiety. You over shot. While domesticated cows are under much stress, being sensationalist about it is to be disingenuous. You are the bad actor here for all sides. And while it can come from a place of good intention as far as you’re concerned, as all bad acts do too. Do we need to stop drinking milk? Yea. But Stop spreading misinformation. It was inappropriate to stir anxiety and not necessary to lie to get that message across.
I don’t use Facebook lol. I’m glad we agree that dairy farming causes severe suffering for cows and their calves, hugely impacts climate change, and that we need to stop doing it for their own benefit, and ours.
All of these practices still definitely happen on various farms around the world, especially in factory farming, and the worst of them are the standard practice. For example, cows make breast milk for their baby calves, not for humans. It’s exploitation by its very nature for humans to steal that milk. In almost all cases, the calves are denied the milk, separated from their mothers and killed for veal. Cows are artificially inseminated to keep them continually pregnant to produce milk, and have been selectively bred to overproduce so much that it very often causes them mastitis, lameness, spinal issues and destroys their bodies over time; sometimes they collapse completely. Once they can no longer produce milk, they too are killed for cheap beef at only 4-6 years old when they can live until 20-25. Any exception to this is rare, still involves immense harm to cows and calves, and can’t provide enough dairy for everyone (especially for cheese, which uses 10x as much milk than milk itself).
Dairy farming is unsustainable and cruel, and the products are unhealthy for humans and contribute to inflammation and disease. Lactose intolerance in adulthood was the natural state of humans for a reason. The lactose persistent gene is an unnatural adaptation and doesn’t prevent the health impacts of dairy.
What made you decide to single out my comment without commenting on any of the other comments that mention milk? At least be consistent.
Am I a robot? No, I’m not going to reply on every comment. I guess you care more about nonsense arguments than animals, the planet and your health.
I’m not accusing you of being a bot, I’m asking what it was about my comment that made you react to it and not the other comments mentioning milk. I grew up on a dairy farm and like somebody else mentioned, most of the things you mention are just not common practice anymore. At least not in the west.
Well that’s simply not true, I actually counted the practices I referenced and at least 14 out of 19 are standard practice in just about every dairy operation, are unavoidable on a large scale, and the other ones are extremely common as well. Also, thinking “the west” is better for animals is really misguided, since the US, Australia and the UK have some of the worst animal welfare standards in the world, and for example 99% of animal products come from factory farmed animals in the US. While more streamlined in developed countries, by all accounts, other countries aren’t quite as cruel toward animals as most western countries. This does have a lot to do with the fact that wealthier nations consume a lot more animal products than poorer nations on average. Take that as what you will. I’m not trying to point fingers at specific countries since every country in the world treats animals terribly in farming systems, and it couldn’t be any other way while we as a society are all consuming these products that need to be mass produced for a (rapidly increasing) human population.
I reacted to your comment because it was the first and only comment I saw that supported using milk. I only said I’m not a robot to explain that by my human nature, I didn’t read every comment, and I only have a limited amount of time that I would spend on social media like this in general, let alone this specific comments section. And also, making the point once is probably enough for a lot of people to see it. My goal was achieved already. I’m sorry to single you out, or if you felt that was unfair. Rest assured, I blame everyone for supporting animal agriculture equally.
I will admit I was overgeneralizing by saying “the west” but where I’m from (Northern Europe) most of these practices are certainly not the norm.
By typing this on pretty much any device you could be using, you’re funding wars, cartels and child labor. .
Nice false appeal to hypocrisy to deflect away from the issue of animal exploitation, and blatant whataboutism. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. That’s a terrible argument.
“Hey, stop beating kids!”
“BuT I sAw yOu UsInG a SmArTpHoNe!”
So as per your own admission (pretty much any device you could be using), that’s essentially unavoidable in the current world we live in if you want to be a functional person. Are animal products avoidable? Yes.
That said, I bought my phone second hand from someone who doesn’t have an incentive or means to sell more. So I did not financially support any of the practices involved in the production. And only once it breaks down completely, my next phone will be a Fairphone, which is essentially the only ethical phone and didn’t exist when I got my current phone. What’s your next argument? Oh wait, all the arguments against veganism/defending animal exploitation are just bad faith, rubbish attempts to avoid addressing your own behaviour anyway.
I use breast milk from my hucow so these don’t apply to me.
lol