A similar interpretation was made of that photo in Europe these four years, now we have understood that it represents something different.
In the photo there are people who do not want more democracy (stop the count they shouted) and now we see that they are the majority, they were in 2016 and in 2020 only the shock of covid made them not be. The US population no longer wants democracy and this photo represents them.
Counterpoint: reports suggest that most of them earnestly believe that the election was stolen. They themselves think - they really think - that they were trying to save democracy. Obviously something has really failed here. But it might not be democracy.
That’s even worse. A person who doesn’t want democracy is a bad thing, but an idiot who destroys it trying to protect it is much more dangerous. The first one can be reasoned with, the second one is too stupid.
In any case, my point is the same, whether intentional or accidental, the people who do not accept democracy in America are the majority today and that photo represents them.
the people who do not accept democracy in America are the majority today
This is obviously quite the claim and it would need citation. Or alternatively a boring debate about the exact meaning of democracy.
But I do agree that this is not a good situation. And if I had to put money on it then I would bet that it will get worse, not better. But nothing’s inevitable.
Dude, look at the election results from not a year ago. Some guy showed up saying you wouldn’t have to vote again and he got more votes than everyone else. Do you need polls on this?
At best, the sum of those who are in favor of overthrowing democracy and those who don’t care is overwhelming.
The other interpretation of the “won’t have to vote again” comment is that he meant “vote on the issues that you care about” (because he would fix them). That does feel more plausible than intentionally telling people “I plan to confiscate your vote”.
But sure, I agree that a ton of people at least don’t care. Particularly young people, unfortunately. But that’s not just America, that’s worldwide. I blame education, ignorance of history. With humans it’s always two steps forward, one step back. We have to keep making the same mistake. It’s a cycle, philosophers were already noticing in ancient Greece. Well, it seems the wars of the 20th century against dictatorship are already forgotten and now we’re going to make the same mistake again.
Of course, everything can be given a different interpretation, but what he literally said is there.
You can also think if the confederates just wanted more power for the states or if the Nazis just wanted to recover German pride,
But neither the South politicians nor those of Germany from the thirties, normally receive the benefit of the doubt, why should the MAGA?
ofcourse they do, they are part of the Maga Cult
" Cult is a term often applied to new religious movements and other social groups which have unusual, and often extreme, religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs and rituals. Extreme devotion to a particular person, object, or goal is another characteristic often ascribed to cults."
Many problems and wars have been about ( forms of) religions. Maga isn’t any different. Though, I am using the word “religion” here in a broader metaphysical/philosophical meaning. Belief-system maybe.?
More people decided to just not show up than voted for either candidate.
Not saying that’s better, it’s honestly decidedly worse… but presenting it as though they represent the Majority of Americans is wildly inaccurate.
The majority of Americans would rather sit on their ass and wait for someone else to fix the problem… or for the entire thing to collapse in on itself… than actually fight for a better future.
Oh is fine, I rectify what I said, this photo does not represent most of the Americans, represent the majority of the Americans who care about something, the rest do not care about shit.
A similar interpretation was made of that photo in Europe these four years, now we have understood that it represents something different.
In the photo there are people who do not want more democracy (stop the count they shouted) and now we see that they are the majority, they were in 2016 and in 2020 only the shock of covid made them not be. The US population no longer wants democracy and this photo represents them.
Counterpoint: reports suggest that most of them earnestly believe that the election was stolen. They themselves think - they really think - that they were trying to save democracy. Obviously something has really failed here. But it might not be democracy.
That’s even worse. A person who doesn’t want democracy is a bad thing, but an idiot who destroys it trying to protect it is much more dangerous. The first one can be reasoned with, the second one is too stupid.
In any case, my point is the same, whether intentional or accidental, the people who do not accept democracy in America are the majority today and that photo represents them.
This is obviously quite the claim and it would need citation. Or alternatively a boring debate about the exact meaning of democracy.
But I do agree that this is not a good situation. And if I had to put money on it then I would bet that it will get worse, not better. But nothing’s inevitable.
Dude, look at the election results from not a year ago. Some guy showed up saying you wouldn’t have to vote again and he got more votes than everyone else. Do you need polls on this?
At best, the sum of those who are in favor of overthrowing democracy and those who don’t care is overwhelming.
The other interpretation of the “won’t have to vote again” comment is that he meant “vote on the issues that you care about” (because he would fix them). That does feel more plausible than intentionally telling people “I plan to confiscate your vote”.
But sure, I agree that a ton of people at least don’t care. Particularly young people, unfortunately. But that’s not just America, that’s worldwide. I blame education, ignorance of history. With humans it’s always two steps forward, one step back. We have to keep making the same mistake. It’s a cycle, philosophers were already noticing in ancient Greece. Well, it seems the wars of the 20th century against dictatorship are already forgotten and now we’re going to make the same mistake again.
Of course, everything can be given a different interpretation, but what he literally said is there.
You can also think if the confederates just wanted more power for the states or if the Nazis just wanted to recover German pride, But neither the South politicians nor those of Germany from the thirties, normally receive the benefit of the doubt, why should the MAGA?
ofcourse they do, they are part of the Maga Cult " Cult is a term often applied to new religious movements and other social groups which have unusual, and often extreme, religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs and rituals. Extreme devotion to a particular person, object, or goal is another characteristic often ascribed to cults."
Many problems and wars have been about ( forms of) religions. Maga isn’t any different. Though, I am using the word “religion” here in a broader metaphysical/philosophical meaning. Belief-system maybe.?
Sure. It looks like a classic personality cult. Like Mussolini’s in the 1930s, with the difference that Mussolini was intelligent and cultured.
*Plurality
More people decided to just not show up than voted for either candidate.
Not saying that’s better, it’s honestly decidedly worse… but presenting it as though they represent the Majority of Americans is wildly inaccurate.
The majority of Americans would rather sit on their ass and wait for someone else to fix the problem… or for the entire thing to collapse in on itself… than actually fight for a better future.
Oh is fine, I rectify what I said, this photo does not represent most of the Americans, represent the majority of the Americans who care about something, the rest do not care about shit.