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Former tankie turned anarchist. Talk to the Tankies. Learn from them, they have points.
Engles is full of shit (“On Authority” is little more than a business owner complaining that people don’t like authority, and using natural laws of the universe to justify its existence by diluting the definition of authority such that any type of power over anything is considered authority. While this is not technically incorrect, it is a gross oversimplification of what authority means) and is the primary basis for how authority is justified on the Auth left.
But when they tell you to read something, go read it. They shitpost hard, don’t eat the onion, don’t feed the trolls, but engage in genuine conversation *recognizing that you will never agree and using it as a learning experience *
edit: spelling error
I like to think of tankies as Anakin Skywalker in that scene on the Grass with Padme. Anakin is gently explaining his hopes for the future, the wonderful world he wants to build, but when asked if people disagree he says “then they’ll be made to”, revealing his authoritarian streak. To anakin, like the tankie, seems obvious that an ultimate authority is necessary to shepherd the people into their eventual utopia, by force if necessary.
Many recognize the goal of a far left state is to whither and die, but the tankie forgets that power begets power. A dictatorship of the prolietariat is all well and good until a well spoken wolf in the finest wool takes the reigns. Power does not corrupt; rather i believe it is corruption that seeks power, and like dragons those corrupted by power will not give it up, and will do anything for more.
This right here (I’m stealing it lmao)
I personally would love to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime and the rise of “The Star Trek Economics” which IMO is a fantastic example of a realistic equal capitalism-free future. Not so perfect as to fall into the “Utopia that’s really a Dystopia in disguise” problem, but still a future worth striving for.
All current or past examples of Communism generally involve the sacrifice of personal rights and freedoms to some degree.
ETA: As far as engaging with them goes, I did for a while, multiple times in fact. Once you go beyond their surface level talking points the Authoritarian in them comes out and they will not criticize China/Russia in any shape or form no matter how deserving.
It’s really only been the last few months that I’ve actually been proactive against them because now I see the damage they do to the Lemmy-verse with their propaganda and misinformation.
Are there any real communism/anarchism communities?
slrpnk.net looks cool, haven’t tried it yet
Follow the Anarchist Code of Conduct: https://wiki.dbzer0.com/the-anarchist-code-of-conduct/
I was on Lemmy when lemmy.ml was the biggest server and I’m glad that despite the biggest server being tankie nominated Lemmy could grow into what it is today.
Weird post.
Ironically the founder and programmer is a communist
tankies aren’t communists. Marx would’ve laughed at authoritarians calling themselves communists
They aren’t tankies though. That’s just a label applied by everyone else when the communists point out supporting Nazis is bad.
anyone who supports China isn’t a communist, end of discussion. you couldn’t define communism even with Das Kapital in front of you
Imagine dedicating this much of your free time attacking people for caring too much.
Especially when the general feeling seems to be this
FYI for anyone who comes across, this here is an example of a “.ml Tankie Alt” who may also just be a “UniversalMonk” alt account.
This “caring too much” they speak of is an inability to accept any valid and factual criticism of the CCP or Russia.
They also defiantly refuse to believe the Xi/Winnie the Pooh meme started in China, despite well documented evidence.
The tankies often call for “unification of the left” but it is deception, they are not left because they will support authoritarian ideals in lockstep.
ETA:
Not me. Never heard of the guy. I mean, it’s nice that I’m on your mind all the time, but brah, calm down. Not every single person who disagrees with you is me or some “alt account” of mine. lmao
Upvoted. You have enough alts with your actual name
Thank you! I have no reason to come up with random alt names. I’ve always been transparent about who I am when I apply to a new instance. Even an instance I created has my name on it.
I’ve never hid who I am. As someone described me just the other day: “I’m consistent and oddly annoying.” :)
Try to avoid making unfounded allegations about other users - here we raise a wry eyebrow to dramas elsewhere in the Fediverse, not start them.
FYI for anyone that comes across, this here is an example of a conservative capitalist supporter who spends hours a day posting about imaginary tankies that fucked his wife or whatever weird shit pops into their head.
Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time, in most cases just being anything unpleasant to their delicate sensibilities.
Anyone using the term tankie on a left wing site is deeply unserious and solely exists to sow division and troll.
You literally called Ukrainians Nazis a couple hours ago.
The people with swastikas on their chest are Nazis if anyone is. Joe billy Bob the chicken farmer that has a mutual aid network but voted for Trump because Dems have never paid attention to him is not a Nazi.
It’s disingenuous to pretend there’s not a difference.
It is also disingenuous to label Ukrainians as Nazis, just because a couple of them are. Just like there are in every other country, be it Russia or USA.
The Ukrainians call themselves Nazis. They also name their streets after famous Nazis.
When someone covers themselves in Nazi symbols, and calls themself a Nazi, why won’t you believe them?
Half my family is Ukrainians. From Odessa, which is famous for being full of Jews. I lived in Ukraine for 5 years right before the invasion. Literally not a single Nazi in sight or any rhetoric. Wtf are you on about? If somebody convinced you of whatever you said, you’ve been duped.
So you’re claiming all of this is fabricated?
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html
No, I’m not saying these are fabricated, but I’m saying that you’re cherrypicking examples to support your (Russia’s) narrative. Every time Nazis in Ukraine are discussed, Azov battalion comes up. Guess what, 1 battalion doesn’t make the entire nation Nazis. There are Nazis in all countries. There are even Nazi battalions in Russia, but Russians aren’t Nazis?
The street renaming incident is just a result of incompetent research. They were just pulling any historical names to replace all the numerous Soviet era Russian names. The street I lived on in Kyiv got renamed to one after a Polish Jew. So why would Nazis name streets after Jews?
And I’m not the secret big bad guy behind the account that he thinks is an alt of mine. I never heard of the user he’s referring to. lol
cm0002 seems to have an unhealthy fascination with me and sees me wherever he looks.
The reason progressive liberals believe that people to the left of them are actually the right wing is because they imagine they are as far left as you can be, and by left they mean right (correct).
No I think it’s the insufferable purity comparisons and the collection of self-righteous dogma like Pokemon cards in lieu of any coherent plan or consistent ideology.
This makes no sense at all to me. Are you talking about horseshoe theory?
Man you’re getting worse than the hexbear edgelords who just shit on the liberals all day, except at least they’re yelling at people in power and not some extremely marginal leftists who would be shot before they could ever take a seat in politics.
A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don’t like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.
A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don’t like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.
Sounds good, except I believe them to be actively harmful to the reputation of the Lemmy-verse, so it’s important to make a clear stand, if total defederation isn’t happening.
I’d rather not Lemmy end up as another Voat. I’ve already seen tons of stories from the original rexit of “I tried Lemmy, but .ml/hex/grad seemed cringy/hostile so I left”
the reputation of the Lemmy-verse
As long as the main devs of Lemmy are Dessalines and other communists, then the reputation of the Lemmy-verse being tied to a bunch of highly communist instances is just an objectively correct fact. Liberals are free to fork their own version of the software and call it something else.
Tankies, they’re tankies, there’s nothing wrong with the theory of communism. What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
And also, there’s nothing Tankie about Lemmy itself. It’s just computer code that is a Reddit-like link aggregator. It falls under separating the art from the artist. And because it’s open source, there’s no concern of financially supporting it either from its use (unless you make an explicit choice to donate)
What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
That’s exactly what liberals of Lemmy do though.
When was the last time you spoke against Zelensky’s regime, that literally turned my country into a concentration camp that people cannot leave and are kidnapped off the streets (and even fucking hospitals!) in front of their crying wives/mothers, to be sent into the meatgrinder and never be seen again?
That’s a rhetorical question, of course you never did (and those who do, including me, are paid Russian shills, tankies or just bots). Because for a liberal, it’s never “authoritarianism bad” or “Nazism bad” or “human rights violations bad” or anything like this - it’s only bad when the other side is doing it. When “the good guys” are doing it, it’s not just totally acceptable, the guy is a hero.
War surely is cruel isn’t it.
The only thing more cruel than war is liberals.
Unless shit has gotten better in the half year since I left, you guys still have extreme moderation issues, which means even with an extensive instance and user blocklist, you’re still going to be constantly dealing with extreme takes
Most moderation issues stemmed from .ml, their influence has been in the decline and moderation issues are considerably better now
Unless the moderation “issues” you speak of are what the Right-wing conservatives of Lemmy complain about as “censorship” then no. And rightly so
You can tell they’re communists cuz they live rent free in the heads of every .world user.
This would be incorrect.
For them to even have the option of rent being waived, that would have to mean that we are all, in some sense- landlords. And it’s commonly known in these parts that landlords are perceived as greedy capitalistic pig-dogs, so, if we are to assume for the sake of discussion that this is true-
… then there can be no reality in which anyone or anything lives rent free in our heads.
There’s no reality in which anyone or anything is rent free in our heads.
Wow somebody is a big reality understander. Impressive.
(Seriously tho it’s called a metaphor.)
Wow. Someone is a big metaphor understander.
(Seriously though- I was making a joke)
I hear so much about how awful these instances are, but I never see anything in them.
Hexbear/Grad is difficult to see things from because most instances including yours iirc defeds from them
.ml is less widely defed’d from because they tend to keep things more subtle (possibly in an attempt to prevent a larger defed movement like what happened with Hexbear and Grad) and in the comments rather than overt in your face posts like Hex/grad tend to do and generally just get removed and widely downvotes when they try to post those comments outside the Tankie Triad safe space
.ml Is also more likely to just remove dissenting voices under their catch-all “rule 1”
.ml is run by the Lemmy devs, and Lemmy is such a shitty piece of software that admins often need the devs to be actively involved during things like upgrades to keep everything from breaking. Therefore, they have to let .ml get away with things that would get any other instance defederated.
Nothing’s going to improve until alternatives like PieFed, Sublinks and mbin become ready for prime-time. As long as we keep using the Lemmy software, we’re fucked.
.ml is also less likely to defed because one of the main Lemmy devs uses it as his home instance. So if you defed from .ml, you miss out on Lemmy firmware posts.
I’m actually in those instances.
That’s OK. We don’t do kink shaming here.
I looked around some NSFW communities, a number of them seem to have no posts at all. Is that normal, to have communities with no posts? Or is there a filter of some sort so I’m not seeing them? I do have “see NSFW” enabled, mind, so it’s not that.
A lot were created during rexit 1, but just never filled with any content
NSFW stuff was the weakest “movers” from Reddit IMO
Wait, what’s wrong with Hexbear? I’m new to Lemmy and read the code of conduct and TOS of Hexbear and it just seems like they’re leftist? I was thinking about registering there 😅
Lemmy can be a bit of a culture shock when you come from Reddit. If someone calls you a libtard on Reddit, it’s because they think you’re a leftist. If someone calls you one on Lemmy, it’s because they think you’re too far to the right of them.
If someone calls you a libtard it’s because they’re an ableist POS, and probably a larping conservative.
The proper term for “centrists” from leftists is “shitlib.”
And you wonder why your type are considered insufferable.
Sooo are the users over at Hexbear considered libtards over here on Lemmy?
Nooo the users on Hexbear are the ones calling others libs for being too far to the right. Though I don’t know how prolific libtard is, just because of the ableism.
No, the opposite; They’re so far left that leftists aren’t left enough.
They are not actually left, they are authoritarian communists and will defend Chinas CCP and Putin as well as spread the propaganda/misinfo out of there. And if you dare post anything critical of them, no matter how many good sources you give or how factual it is they’ll write it off as “CIA propaganda”, remove it and ban you under their catch-all “Rule 1: Bigotry”
If you want to see more check out [email protected]
If you criticize the chinese communist party you will be labled a sinophobe on Hexbear.
When r/chapotraphouse got banned they moved to what is now hexbear. If you didn’t like r/cth you won’t like hexbear, and lots of folks don’t like r/cth.
So here’s the thing… im so new i have no idea what r/chapotraphouse is
Fair and valid, and I envy your brain. They were a shitposter sub on reddit, sorta based on the dirtbag podcast of the same name. They were criticized for brigading and dog piling folks they disagreed with, and largely have a mentality of treating what they see as bad faith with mockery.
All that being said, if you think memes about China taking over the US is funny, they are a fun, active community. Though using it as your primary instance can be a big of a difficulty because lots of other instances block them.
Really I’ve found lemm.ee to be a good home, and you can still see all the posts there and see if it clicks for you.
For right now lemm.ee is my home! I was just looking at the other instances to see if their ideologies better fit mine.
To be clear, I self-identify as liberal, and i am trans. I noticed the c/traaaaa… community on Hexbear seems to be the biggest of the bunch, and that was my favorite sub on reddit, so I started looking in to Hexbear
Hexbear has the largest amount of trans people on one instance as far as I can tell. Lemmy.blahaj.zone is more specifically for trans and queer people, and the admin is trans herself. Lemmy.blahaj.zone is federated with most other instances while many have defederated hexbear because they don’t like when trans people get too uppity. On lemmy.blahaj.zone we are considered the “good ones” or the more acceptable trans people by the other instances because this instance is less partisan/politically opinionated. Not a great situation, but the result is this instance is more widely federated.
Blahaj.zone is an instance created by and for trans and queer people, but I think Hexbear beats them in sheer numbers due to instance size. At least go check out /onehundredninetysix, which is the recreation of /196 after the /196 blahaj.zone mods tried to move to Lemmy.world. It had a lot of people pissed, mods had a bad “the users don’t own this community, we do” attitude about it, and eventually /onehundredninetysix was created.
Hexbear’s mods have historically been very strict regarding transphobia so lots of trans people have seen it as a friendly place. I think there was also a migration from blahaj to Hexbear when someone was banned from blahaj for refusing to use the pronouns “drag/drag” for a person who self-identified as a dragon. It was like watching the “I identify as an Apache attack helicopter” meme play out in realtime, and a lot of blahaj users weren’t comfortable with it.
Lots of trans folks head there because the mods of hexbear are very strict about transphobia, and there was a tiff between the two instances specifically around fetishizing trans folks. So worth checking out both to see if either feels more inviting.
Nobody on hexbear is sane. One of the worst Lemmy instances. Many other instances already defederated from it and I can honestly just advice you to not interact with them.
If anyone from hexbear insults you, it’s a good thing. That means you’re still human.
I’m new, trying to get a hold of the lingo, is instance like, reference to the server they usually post through? Or like, lemmys equivalent to a sub reddit? What does it mean to defedrate?
reference to the server they usually post through
Roughly, yes. Imagine there isn’t just one reddit, but multiple reddits, all with their own users, sub-reddits and eventually even rules. Now all these multiple reddits can “talk” to each other. That’s why I’m on lemmy.zip and I can see a post someone hast posted on lemm.ee - that is federation. Saved on different servers, but looks like one coherent feed.
Defederation means that an admin of an instance excludes one or more instances from communicating with his. I’m not 100% sure what every implication is, but roughly, the instances can’t communicate with each other, so if lemmy.world defederates from lemmy.zip, for example, we could not have this conversation right now. You also would not see any posts from lemmy.zip and I would not see any from lemmy.world
Hexbear users are generally more vocal with their opinions and call people out for problematic opinions. Because not everyone shares Hexbear users’ opinions it can come across as very aggressive. My instance has been defederated with them for a while so it’s hard to say exactly what it is like now, but that’s the gist.
I had plenty of positive interactions with them too and enjoyed their communities. It’s easier to notice the one really unenjoyable interaction with someone than the dozens of somewhat positive ones though.
It’s a shame that many instancss defederated with Hexbear and vice-versa… definitely makes having alt accounts necessary so users can get the most out of Lemmy
Can someone explain like I’m 5 how being against Nazis and capitalism is authoritarian bootlicking? Seems like the exact opposite.
Authoritarianism isn’t exclusive to capitalism. You can have a communist country that is Authoritarian, like China or Russia. But they will fervently deny that China and Russia are Authoritarian, the various human rights abuses and lack of freedom at their feet in order to promote Authoritarian style Communism
They are against Nazis, but they apply that label to just about everyone who is against their views and/or what China/Russia pushes. They will say that Ukraine is completely run by Nazis for example, a propaganda line right out of Moscow.
Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis. They’ve recently spent millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis, and are naming streets after them. Their soldiers are literally covered in Nazi symbols.
When someone tells you themselves that they’re a Nazi, why do you think your beliefs overrule their own self-image?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/08/wdtz-m08.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-leader-slams-kyiv-for-naming-streets-after-nazi-collaborators
Yeaaa ookkk tankie, I’m sure those websites aren’t biased and spreading propaganda/misinformation at all LMAO
you’ve been tagged
So you’re denying Ukraine is doing this? Or am I a tankie for pointing it out? All it takes to be a tankie is pointing out someone is calling themself a Nazi?
You’ve taken this so far, you’re entering into Nazi sympathizer/collaborator territory.
The US Congress had to lift a ban on arming Nazis in order to send arms to Ukraine. Now tell me how it’s somehow my fault for pointing that out.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-us-weapons-azov-a3a555670bedeae2022900621d79aba7
Do you guys read the sources you post or just the headlines?
Moscow has repeatedly portrayed the Azov as a Nazi group and accused it of atrocities, but has publicly given little evidence of the allegations.
Yes, I am aware AP has been whitewashing for fascists for a while. But Congress is not bound by what Moscow believes. Congress had to lift the ban on arming Nazis to send Ukraine weapons, because it’s also what the US believes.
You know who also believes Ukraine is currently governed by a Nazi regime? The soldiers covering their uniforms in Nazis patches, the politicians naming streets after Nazis, and the Ukrainians openly declaring ‘I am a Nazi.’
Lil Ruski is mad they’re losing. ://
Running low on orcs, perhaps?
Do you know who never called themselves nazis btw? The actual nazis. But hey, you show me that literal open declaration of “I am a Nazi” that you seem to be claiming exists.
But you won’t. Because it doesn’t. And you’re a sad angry loser who’s angry he has to defend Putler’s actions and live in a shithole.
What you will do is ignore all the points, lick some boots, then post some other inane list of non-related articles that tangentially approach the subject, pretend like they say what you claim when they literally say the opposite, then fuck right off. It’s like all the smart trolls in Russia were recruited to the war and are now fertilising Ukrainian soil. Well, guess that’s a natural selection of sorts as well. Devolution, if you will.
WSWS is a biased “trotskyist” rag and this is an opinion piece whingeing about Ukraine throwing off the shackles of soviet oppression written by the leader of a former Ukrainian political party that was banned for having ties to Russia. Opinion disregarded
The TOI link you posted lists its source as a tweet which no longer exists.
Neither link claims “Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis”
a communist country … like China or Russia.
lmao. Both extremely capitalist: money, wage labor, private property, classes, etc. Read a book.
Perhaps, but the CCP proclaim themselves to be a “communist” country and the tankies believe them even though their actions are, like you said, capitalist-like.
I’m kinda new to the fediverse. What did lemmy.ml do?
their admins (the maintainers of the lemmy codebase) are tankies (authoritarian communists who believe the USSR was justified in quashing Hungarian protests against human rights abuses with violence). they take any criticism of the people’s republic of china’s government as sinophobia and have some weird opinions about the fascist government of the russian federation (effectively their explanation is that moscow achieved communist utopia in 1918 and therefor cannot backslde into a worse form of government despite overwhelming evidence that the potato shaped dickhead who sits atop the throne of skulls in moscow is maybe possibly perhaps a war criminal)
If the Lemmy programmers are freaks, how does that bode well for the future? Seems like Lemmy is already doomed.
OSS gives us the option of forking the code and going a better way, if needed.
Also, you can go-to [email protected] and check out the pinned posts, Nutomic lead dev, Tankie, and .ml head admin is basically a transphobe on top (receipts in the second pinned post)
They’ll also remove posts and ban you under their favorite catch-all “Rule 1 Bigotry” for anything critical of China/Russia
If you talk Ill of them, even on other instances comms they’ll site-ban you. So basically like how Reddit mods of ol used to ban you for participation in unrelated subs.
You have been banned from r/pyongyang.
They helped elect trump
You’re blaming people who shoot their mouths off online for a fascist coup orchestrated by russian and US oligarchs?
Ummmm . . . Yyyyyes.
Yeah, they were bigly into making sure trump won.
How’d they trick the Dems into a bad nominee?
Oh you didn’t like Harris’ . . . what. Appeal? Her . . policy positions? And in the face of all of the insanity and horror you’ll now experience and all the pain you’ll watch people go through, you’re still fussy about it huh?
Is it still confusing? Is it? That’s a shame. It could not be a simpler choice. Hit yourself and the people you love in the head with a brick, or have some okay ice cream. You still wanna complain about the ice cream.
Sure, I’m not a fan of Harris. I wouldn’t support anyone who will arm a genocide.
But this isn’t about my position. This is about years of polling showing that Harris was always unpopular. You claimed people other than the Dems were to blame. So again, how did anyone trick the Dems into running a nominee who couldn’t win?
This is about years of polling showing that Harris was always unpopular.
No. No, it’s not.
This is about letting trump win by not supporting his one probablistic victorious challenger.
that’s all this is about. Anything about Harris is beyond irrelevant. If you want to talk about the DNC today, or whatever party you prefer today, fine. That’s a different conversation. But that’s not what this particular line of criticism is about.
My point is that there was one act everyone needed to do by a certain date to prevent a very preventable horror that will soon engulf the world. One simple thing. One binary choice. And many people here, based on thier comments before the election and even some after, did not do that thing.
They are cretinous fools and useful idiots. They have - despite a chorus of warnings and explanations - opened the door to a generation of chaos.
yes of course, trump won because of a few hundred people on a website no one’s heard of and not, yknow, the sheer racism of the average white person (the only demographic that voted in majority for trump, btw)
be serious
Helping doesn’t mean being the #1 reason
I mean it is true. They did help elect Trump. Before the election there were a ton of .ml accounts doing their best to get progressives to be politically apathetic. They were indistinguishable from right wing saboteurs.
How possible do you think it is that they both independently reached the same level of political disgust with the status quo for different reasons?
It’s possible. But actively pushing the narrative that there is no point in voting on on Lemmy only helped Trump win.
If people pushed the „no point in voting“ narrative in right wing forums it would be be better.
As I said people encouraging left leaning (in the American sense) potential voters to not vote is what right wing saboteurs would do.
Existing in those spaces heavily, I disagree that the push was towards not voting, the heavy criticism I saw was towards that only see political action as voting. Further, acknowledging the reality that interests of the ruling class, or palestinians, is not on a ballet.
It’s possible. But actively pushing the narrative that there is no point in voting on on Lemmy only helped Trump win.
This just seems so far from impactful. The narrow slice of people that exist on lemmy, were in the set of states that actually decide elections, and also are politically influenced by it enough to change their vote, is such a tiny number of people. Do you really find it to be a worthwhile point to attack rather than the failures of democrats to recognize and push back against the decades long project of fascism that has been built by the republicans?
I strongly agree that it was ultra low impact. But in the results where the same. It has the exact same impact as would a right winger saboteur saying the same. The same end goal would be helped. And this case the right wing benefits.
I think a better approach would be for those left wing (in the non American sense) spaces to push voter apathy in right wing spaces.
Then on top encouraging action and organization of the left.
I’d recommend visiting it or joining an instance that federates with it at least. The liberals like to make it out to be a communist propaganda machine but most of the content is memes, oss, and general left wing / anti-US stuff. They will ban you on some communities if you bring up tianemen square or uyghurs though, so that sucks, but otherwise most of the content / users on there are decent.
Because the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur claims have all been debunked. Even the intelligence orgs admitted they don’t have any evidence. Why allow the same debunked propaganda to be reposted by bots over and over?
Do you have some evidence you’d like to present?
Tiananmen Square was debunked?
I mean, I was alive when the pics came out. Been aware of the censorship. Had friends from China and friends who worked there tell me about the complete avoidance of the subject.
Oh, and I’m not a bot, though you could be protecting your psyche by saying everyone who pushes back on this is.
It is just as foolish to not admit to the atrocities done by one government as it is for any other.
You can acknowledge that the narrative presented by western media about these events is exaggerated without going full tilt into denial.
Something did happen in Tiananmen Square. People were killed. The government of China does censor discussion of the events.
These are facts, and when you try to deny them it only reveals that you are more concerned with protecting your worldview than with adhering to the truth.
Haha. Lots of mental gymnastics in there. Or just being intentionally obtuse.
Yes, something happened there, and people died. But it wasn’t anything like the western narrative, including lies about who died.
Western media has an incentive to exaggerate, China has an incentive to downplay. Perhaps the truth which lies somewhere in between would be easier to arrive at if China didn’t heavily censor all discussion of the events.
I think about what happened in Tiananmen Square with equal revulsion as I do for, say, the battle at Blair Mountain, and I approach the topics with equal caution in determining the details. You seem to have no such caution with regard to the Chinese state narrative of what occurred in Tiananmen Square.
