The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.
Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn’t a “tiny bit worse”.
Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.
I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.
Not voting for the only viable candidate that wasn’t an overt fascist is empowering fascists. The democrats aren’t solely to blame those who allowed a fascist dictator to come into power share the blame
“Not voting for the only viable candidate”. So between two shit candidates, we should vote for the one who smells the least like shit. Nope. That’s not how democracy works. Everyone should vote for the candidate that bests represents them. I didn’t say that democrats are solely to blame. I said partly.
When it’s fptp yes that’s the litteral outcome. Everyone SHOULD vote for the best candidate that represents them, in FPTP that’s not how it works. When only one of 2 parties could get elected in the US and one of them is a fascist dictator, and the other isn’t that is how it must work. When fptp is removed, and you could get a real democracy then yes. Until then the only moral option is to mitigate harm
And that literally doesn’t solve anything. It just postpones the inevitable. Democracy lost the moment DNC plotted against Bernie Sanders back in 2016. What would you think would happen if we had another 4 years of Democrats? Fascism would just come 4 years later.
It would give 4 years to work towards electing more progressive people at a municipal and state level. It literally give a chance to solve something instead of being accelerationist.
Thank you, yes when it comes to a fascist dictator vs a non fascist, non dictator, voting for the non fascist non dictator is the only viable option, unless you’re OK with a fascist dictator.
Unfortunately most people here are in their early twenties and have yet to learn about the flaws of FPTP. Sadly this was probably their most important election and they fucked it up.
Oh no I missed the most important election?! Shit! I thought the last one was! And people said the one before that was too! Fuck! I’m just trying to vote how you all want me too, I’m not trying to be a bad democwat :'(
Can’t believe american propaganda is so powerful in the UK, makes me sad. Wanna be our 51st state?
Tell me about it. I’m canadian and we have FPTP, it is not a way to democratically elect anyone. It ends up being a vote against, rather than a vote for. We’ve been trading blue and red since forever here, with one tiny little exception. It’s not representative at all.
UK here, same shitty system, though it’s supposedly good at ensuring mostly-stable governments. We had a hung parliament in 2010 and it was actually pretty decent (in the sense that the Lib Dems were able to hold back the Tories’ more aggressive policies), but having true proportional representation would significantly change the UK political spectrum.
Ironically I was thankful for FPTP in our 2024 election because it capped the power that far-right parties like Reform UK could take. We now have a super strong Labour majority and 4.5 more years of them pushing through progressive policies without much opposition. Proportional representation would slow down progress in this way, because the parliament would have to constantly find mitigations and compromises. That’s actually a really good quality of a government, but the UK is in a poor state right now and needs investment desperately and quickly!
The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.
Hence why I said you had blood on your hands no matter what. This is where harm mitigation comes in, by not voting, you agree to whoever is elected, in this case trump who wants to further ethnic cleansing. This was the last election in the US as we know it. And trump isn’t a “tiny bit worse”.
Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.
I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.
Not voting for the only viable candidate that wasn’t an overt fascist is empowering fascists. The democrats aren’t solely to blame those who allowed a fascist dictator to come into power share the blame
“Not voting for the only viable candidate”. So between two shit candidates, we should vote for the one who smells the least like shit. Nope. That’s not how democracy works. Everyone should vote for the candidate that bests represents them. I didn’t say that democrats are solely to blame. I said partly.
When it’s fptp yes that’s the litteral outcome. Everyone SHOULD vote for the best candidate that represents them, in FPTP that’s not how it works. When only one of 2 parties could get elected in the US and one of them is a fascist dictator, and the other isn’t that is how it must work. When fptp is removed, and you could get a real democracy then yes. Until then the only moral option is to mitigate harm
And that literally doesn’t solve anything. It just postpones the inevitable. Democracy lost the moment DNC plotted against Bernie Sanders back in 2016. What would you think would happen if we had another 4 years of Democrats? Fascism would just come 4 years later.
It would give 4 years to work towards electing more progressive people at a municipal and state level. It literally give a chance to solve something instead of being accelerationist.
Yep, we saw how much the Biden presidency helped.
Not voting for candidate = voting for them.
Solid logic.
Telling people how they have to vote.
Also, solid logic.
Thank you, yes when it comes to a fascist dictator vs a non fascist, non dictator, voting for the non fascist non dictator is the only viable option, unless you’re OK with a fascist dictator.
Pretty fucking clear.
Unfortunately most people here are in their early twenties and have yet to learn about the flaws of FPTP. Sadly this was probably their most important election and they fucked it up.
Oh no I missed the most important election?! Shit! I thought the last one was! And people said the one before that was too! Fuck! I’m just trying to vote how you all want me too, I’m not trying to be a bad democwat :'(
Can’t believe american propaganda is so powerful in the UK, makes me sad. Wanna be our 51st state?
Tell me about it. I’m canadian and we have FPTP, it is not a way to democratically elect anyone. It ends up being a vote against, rather than a vote for. We’ve been trading blue and red since forever here, with one tiny little exception. It’s not representative at all.
UK here, same shitty system, though it’s supposedly good at ensuring mostly-stable governments. We had a hung parliament in 2010 and it was actually pretty decent (in the sense that the Lib Dems were able to hold back the Tories’ more aggressive policies), but having true proportional representation would significantly change the UK political spectrum.
Ironically I was thankful for FPTP in our 2024 election because it capped the power that far-right parties like Reform UK could take. We now have a super strong Labour majority and 4.5 more years of them pushing through progressive policies without much opposition. Proportional representation would slow down progress in this way, because the parliament would have to constantly find mitigations and compromises. That’s actually a really good quality of a government, but the UK is in a poor state right now and needs investment desperately and quickly!