The argument is that you’re not making an argument based on science. You’re assuming science is going to fix things. But the best evidence we have whether science can fix these specific things is whether they’ve been fixed. They have not. So the most likely outcome is in fact that they won’t be fixed, unless you have some specific insight into specific carbon removal technologies - in which case, please share.
Yes, new things will be invented that don’t exist, my argument is not that nothing will change. But you’re the one who said “This graph is neglecting future advances in energy production and CO2 removal.” That’s completely unpredictable and adding assumptions about that is unreliable.
Bro your argument is worse than mine. I’m saying things will change in ways we cannot predict, and probably for the better since we are powerful humans with desires. You’re saying they haven’t changed already, therefore they will not. What the hell is that?
they’re saying that plotting future hopes on a graph is both impossible and undesirable. we can’t just assume that things will get better unless there is provable evidence that it will, and we definitely can’t just make a dotted line going back to pre-industrial CO2 levels because we think someday we will solve this problem with technology that doesn’t currently exist.
Do you mean that the technology does exist, but, for example, the fossil fuel industries want us to use the technologies that keep them in business?
I’ve also heard the owners of shops want to sell their products (it’s not speculation)
And then there is your average consumer, or at least where l live, who is either not thinking that much about pumping fuel into their ‘beloved’ CEV or is concerned, but, for example, it’s not as if governments & industries are helping.
Do you mean that the technology does exist, but, for example, the fossil fuel industries want us to use the technologies that keep them in business?
I’ve also heard that the owners of shops want to sell their products (it’s not speculation)
And then there is your average consumer, or at least where l live, who is either not thinking that much about pumping fuel into their ‘beloved’ CEV or is concerned, but, for example, it’s not as if governments & industries are helping
The argument is that you’re not making an argument based on science. You’re assuming science is going to fix things. But the best evidence we have whether science can fix these specific things is whether they’ve been fixed. They have not. So the most likely outcome is in fact that they won’t be fixed, unless you have some specific insight into specific carbon removal technologies - in which case, please share.
Yes, new things will be invented that don’t exist, my argument is not that nothing will change. But you’re the one who said “This graph is neglecting future advances in energy production and CO2 removal.” That’s completely unpredictable and adding assumptions about that is unreliable.
Bro your argument is worse than mine. I’m saying things will change in ways we cannot predict, and probably for the better since we are powerful humans with desires. You’re saying they haven’t changed already, therefore they will not. What the hell is that?
they’re saying that plotting future hopes on a graph is both impossible and undesirable. we can’t just assume that things will get better unless there is provable evidence that it will, and we definitely can’t just make a dotted line going back to pre-industrial CO2 levels because we think someday we will solve this problem with technology that doesn’t currently exist.
@ondoyant @Dogyote
Do you mean that the technology does exist, but, for example, the fossil fuel industries want us to use the technologies that keep them in business?
I’ve also heard the owners of shops want to sell their products (it’s not speculation)
And then there is your average consumer, or at least where l live, who is either not thinking that much about pumping fuel into their ‘beloved’ CEV or is concerned, but, for example, it’s not as if governments & industries are helping.
@ondoyant @Dogyote
Do you mean that the technology does exist, but, for example, the fossil fuel industries want us to use the technologies that keep them in business?
I’ve also heard that the owners of shops want to sell their products (it’s not speculation)
And then there is your average consumer, or at least where l live, who is either not thinking that much about pumping fuel into their ‘beloved’ CEV or is concerned, but, for example, it’s not as if governments & industries are helping