Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

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      Leave it to reactionaries to confuse healthcare with genocide.

      I’ve already told you that autonomous people should get to choose what to do with their bodies. That’s clearly not a value that you hold, and want to give a fetus extra rights above and beyond the person upon whose body they depend.

      You wouldn’t need to give a reason to disconnect the person attached to you by the kidney; it’s your body to decide to share or not.

      You can try to reframe the issue, but the facts are clear.

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        Tell me, how is killing innocent people healthcare? If a human being isn’t a person, then what is? If killing innocent people isn’t wrong, then why do we outlaw murder?

        So born babies aren’t people either? They’re not very autonomous. Nor are comatose people.

        You’re reframing the issue to justify killing millions of people every year. Why? It’s not like those lives magically appear in a faraway land on earth once they’re ended in the United States.

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          Do you think you should need to get permission to disconnect from the kidney machine? Or do you think that it’s your choice to share your body or not?

          I know why you keep avoiding this question: it shows that you think your bodily autonomy is more important than a woman’s.

          You can try to reframe the issue, but the facts are clear.

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          how is killing innocent people healthcare

          They’re not killing people, that’s how

          You’re reframing the issue

          Projection, as usual

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            So if they’re not people, then what are they? Can you define what a person is without it being completely arbitrary?

            Projection, as usual

            Says the guy calling me a Nazi because I hate genocide.

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              So if they’re not people, then what are they?

              Fetus. Could grow into a person if nothing goes wrong and the mother wants it to, could end up as a really heavy period after a week. Welcome to basic biology, since you missed it in school

              Says the guy calling me a Nazi because I hate genocide.

              I didn’t call you anything, learn to read. Also: not a genocide. Your kind best stop trying to dilute the value of that word by applying it incorrectly

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                How is a fetus not a person? Every human being is a person. Sticking with an extremely broad definition of person is the only way to prevent a slippery slope towards justifying killing people further and further along in development. Trying to call certain human beings not people is a genocidal tactic.

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                  How is a fetus not a person?

                  You can’t actually be so stupid as to not be able to spot the difference between a clump of cells and a born human, so don’t pretend to be.

                  Things that might become other things are not treated as though they are fundamentally the thing they might become.

                  Sticking with an extremely broad definition of person is the only way to prevent a slippery slope towards justifying killing people further and further along in development

                  No, it’s not. Fetus isn’t a person, it requires parasitization of an already existing person to continue existing, it is very much not the same as a born human. The only people who try to equate the two are weirdos like you.

                  Fine, compared me to Nazis

                  I didn’t do that either, learn to read usernames

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                    First off, I’m sorry I mistook you for the other person. I’ll take back those claims.

                    Second, we are all “clumps of cells.” A fetus just so happens to be a really, really small one at a particular stage of development.
                    Third, a parasite is, by definition, a member of a different species than its host. Therefore, a fetus is not a parasite.
                    Fourth, almost everyone on earth depends on other people to continue existing. The ones who don’t are hardcore survivalists. Are they the only ones who get a right to life?