cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/138601

“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

  • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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    2 个月前

    I am still confident that they would go to china and/or Russia. I’m just not foolish enough to base an entire argument on something that I hold a strong opinion on. It was an EXAMPLE of what makes it complicated.

    Israel is hell-bent on this. If the US backs out, someone else will fill in that gap. This is experts saying this. This is THEIR concern. I just happen to agree with it. Unless you’re part of an administration that works in geopolitics and international diplomacy, back off the armchair simplification of it all.

    And before you think to call me out for refusing to answer- know that I have explained myself time after time ALL FUCKING MORNING to everyone that has challenged my statements.

    Yet… Not a single one of you have explained a plan that illustrates how easy it is to just break the agreement. And the few that tried- failed to issue any statement on how to deal with the repercussions of breaking those agreements.

    This is how it is here. Put people on the defensive, so you never have to own your own points. Because when challenged to explain their side with logic, the left has nothing.

    Now I’m done with this discussion. I’ve been on the ropes the entire time, and even after explanation after explanation- you’re all still coming at me to define my stance.

    I have. Thoroughly.

    • bishbosh@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 个月前

      Who is “this expert?”

      The idea that China and Russia have such a great interest in the state of Israel that the would collectively give even half of what the US gives is utterly insane. You’re being challenged because what your saying is nonsense. Again, even if they could cobble together enough support to find trade deals would pale in to what the US gives for free. The idea that the commitments the US has to Israel are so ironclad that we have to keep sending more bombs to a state committing genocide, shows how absurd your view is.

      It’s clear you have some significant cognitive dissidence over the reality of what the US is doing to aid an active genocide by a rogue state that committing acts of terror and escalating tensions in an unstable region. With that you’ve picked some number of experts that support your delusion, and harp on how impossible it would be to stop, on how they would find some other way. There is nothing that would be comparable to what the US gives to Israel, and the US has no obligation to give weapons to those committing war crimes. Stop lying to yourself and admit that this blood is on America’s hands.

      • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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        2 个月前

        So, I pretty clearly said:

        “I’m done with this discussion.”

        Now… for my own edification, could you point to what part of that you’re having difficulty understanding? I’d like to know for future reference how to be more clear to people that wish to rewrite my statements and simultaneously think I won’t notice

        It’s insulting.

        • bishbosh@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 个月前

          I suppose my difficulty is in understanding why you’re still replying and/or not blocking me. You have no obligation to reply, I am not obliged to ignore yours because you’ve said you’re done. I still have yet to have a meaningful answer from you, so I continue to ask; if not freely given by America, how would Israel get hundreds of billions of dollars in bombs?

          • Soup@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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            2 个月前

            Aah… so it seems you lack the responsibly for your own actions to the point where you just ignore the impulse to continue a discussion when people tell you they’re done, thereby making the onus entirely on them to shut you up?

            It’s good to know that I was right in my assumption that you appear to lack the maturity to continue this conversation.

            I generally don’t like blocking people because I think it’s a pretty immature response to what should be a mature discussion between two adults, but I’m going to make an exception in your case.

            You know… since you asked.

            • bishbosh@lemm.eeEnglish
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              2 个月前

              Insulting me won’t change what the US does and it seems like you still struggle with the actual question. How do you justify the US continuing to send bombs to Israel to enact a genocide?