Well, this just got darker.
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I think the common incest fantasy in the west isn’t too far removed from this too. Like all the actors are above age minimums but they pretend to be step kids or babysitters like these roles aren’t commonly associated with children and older teens. It’s clearly a form of deflection IMO.
Could also be that those are the only porns with even a half assed attempt at a plot instead of just opening with a ground and pound
even a half assed attempt at a plot
“I watch it for the plot, I wonder if they’ll ever get her unstuck”
It probably stuck from the time when porn was becoming a bit more normal to watch, so it still had some nominal plot initially. Still gender roles with women being at home busy with washing machines and all such, or babysitting.
As the other comment implies, that’s just the easiest plot to shove porn into. I don’t think that many people are watching it for the plot, it just happens to be there. Like, people aren’t fantasizing about becoming a plumber to fuck women instead of being paid, for example. It’s just a lazy plot because they need to give some reason for the scene.
I think there’s something to be said for how commonly these fantasies and plots feature specifically young or youthful stereotypes. I think there’s no denying that people are into that sort of thing.
For sure some people are into it. I know from my experience I don’t care for that plot. I still watch them because that’s 90% of porn now it seems, but I don’t pretend like it’s a teenager and a parent involved.
I don’t mean just the “stepsister” stuff but overall the fascination with schoolgirls, babysitters and all that stuff.
Personally I think the rise in incest porn has to do with the rise in isolationism. Lots of people, young men especially, are going out less and less and having more of their social interactions online. As a consequence of this, for a number of these men, the vast majority of the real life female interactions they get are from women in their own homes. And biology has a way of adapting, so I think a lot these men are getting confusing feelings about people in their own homes due largely just to lack of outside exposure to women.
to cultures like Japan and Russia that don’t strongly condemn such things
As someone from Russia - what?
Unless you mean being attracted to post-puberty, but pre-legal girls. That, ahem, makes sense biologically.
Girls of that age are sometimes kinda cruel to boys, though, so my personal teenage years trauma prevents me from dreaming of them. But if not for it, I think I would.
Toddlers are a completely different issue.
There is this thing that I feel is most prevalent in the USA, to call any attraction to a girl under the age of 18 pedophilia. Because that’s the age to star in porn. The term should truly be used for attraction to children. I think it’s an extension of the “pedo panic” where every man is assumed for some reason to be a child rapist now.
As such almost every young man could at some point be caught as a “pedophile”- 17 year olds sneak into clubs all the time, for example. 20 year old hooked up with one? Now he is considered a pedophile even if the actual age of consent is lower.
Meanwhile the porn industry glorifies “barely 18” girls as something highly desirable. It’s a little messed up to say the least.
Actual pedos who are into kids should be put in mental institutions. But I would strongly suspect that 15% stated just includes honest young men and creepy old men, none of which are truly pedophiles. That number is way too high.
As such almost every young man could at some point
Something is wrong with your stats. “Almost every” would be above 97%. Or if by “could” you mean it happening in a perfectly normal situation - yes.
OK, I don’t really like talking about that age and that subject. Just batch-commenting everything.
Id say that 97% of all 18 year olds has had attraction to 17 year olds is not a weird number, unless asexuality is more common than I thought
Attraction yeah, I understood it as the act requiring consent from that text.
Attraction - it’d be virtually everyone I guess in one way or another. Asexuality is not the same as complete lack of romantic interest or even inability to enjoy physical parts.
The text are talking of branding attraction of <18 year olds as pedophilia, and didn’t talk about doing anything more than experiencing the attraction EDIT more than giving examples of where they may accidently hook up with a 17 year old who snuck into a 18+ bar and then getting the pedophilia treatment by society
Ah. OK. Not a native speaker, thought that “hook up” means sex being involved, and getting said treatment from the judicial branch.
From the society - eh, some of us are so used to “the society” being in general their enemy, that we don’t even think that’s a problem.
Ah, and also a 16yo walking-kissing-whatever with a 19yo is more or less normal here.
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It’s racism, due to his political alignment he can’t go after black people but Russians are fair game.
“People are gonna be pedophiles whether we like it or not, so why are we bothering to do anything to highlight predatory behavior?”
If anything, the issue isn’t that people have these attractions and fantasies, it is that some portion of those people can’t separate fantasy from reality and are willing to hurt a child to get what they want, or they are sociopaths that consume child porn without feeling disgust for witnessing horrific child abuse.
Correct. That’s what the issue is. We should definitely make sure that we aren’t encouraging any kind of behavior that perpetuates the demand for CSAM.
Does this though? Or does it reduce the demand for real CP?
I actually don’t think this is shocking or something that needs to be “investigated.” Other than the sketchy website that doesn’t secure user’s data, that is.
Actual child abuse / grooming happens on social media, chat services, and local churches. Not in a one on one between a user and a llm.
It’s the “burn that witch” reaction.
See how they hate pedophiles and not child rapists.
The crowd wants to feel its power by condemning (and lynching if possible) someone.
I’d rather want to investigate those calling for “investigation” and further violation of privacy of people who for all we know have committed no crime.
That’s about freedom of speech and yelling “fire” in a crowded theater and thousand hills radio, you know the argument.
pedophiles are bad, if you think otherwise you’re pedophile enabling scum and are just as guilty as they are.
edit: I’ll wear the down votes like a badge of honor if it means pedophiles that train their grooming habits against AI are branded as pedophiles.
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Americans frighten me
Me too
Lmao are you out here saying we should essentially smear people for thought crimes?
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would this also apply to if you are pretending to shoot people online?
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See, imo this is the exact kind of thinking that makes pedophilia dangerous. Most people would agree that being attracted to children is a mental illness. Most people would agree that mental illnesses should be treated by a knowledgeable professional. But pedophilia is so stigmatized that someone even admitting they have a problem, one I very much doubt most of them want to have, has people calling for them to be drawn and quartered, regardless of if they’ve ever actually hurt anyone.
Do I like that there’s art and writing of people having fantasies about children? No, of course not. But making it impossible for people to have a safe outlet, to even talk about it with a medical professional for fear of imprisonment, death threats, or worse, makes it so these people can’t even get the help they need. It’s like teaching abstinence only sex ed. You’re trying to get people to stop having fantasies by burying them, but it only exacerbates the issue.
Edit: lol got your downvote less than five minutes in and the whole comment edited to just say “pedophiles bad.” I guess I, as you like to put it, “hit a nerve.”
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I personally think that pedophilia is genetic, or a chemical brain imbalance or something. There has to be something that would cause someone to do something they know that it they get caught, their life is over.
It’s like Louie CK’s joke from his SNL appearance. To paraphrase “I love Mounds bars, but if you told me I would be thrown in jail and raped or killed, I wouldn’t eat one ever again”
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You don’t choose to be straight, you don’t choose to be gay
I was going to add that to my argument, but i felt that it would get twisted into someone saying that gay people are pedophiles. I didn’t feel like arguing that point.
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There are literally tv shows about how to get away with murder. Very popular ones. Those viewers don’t murder at a higher rate than others.
There’s literally a drama that was on ABC called, you guessed it, “How to Get Away With Murder”
As a fiction writer, I do research on espionage, sabotage and even methods of assassination all the time. But I’m not going to make a salted bomb and nuke Jerusalem even though that is an entirely viable evil plot that may even create a net negative death toll.
True poisoners, as Agatha Christie notes, use thallium, not arsenic nor cyanide (though ricin is good if you can get it.) Thallium assassins are also self-regulating, like demolitions experts, killing off those insufficiently careful when handling the stuff.
Modern police are lazy until enough of a stink is made to find a culprit for a specific incident, which is why modern assassins targeting VIPs will find a self-radicalized desperado and point them toward the target. This is the sort of thing FBI is looking for in the investigations of Crooks and Routh. They are likely just blue suicides (or green suicides in this case) but finding a operative pointing them towards Trump would indicate an actual plot. But even if those tracks are found, it would unlikely lead to a specific identity.
I know about this not just to write fiction, but also to understand how things happen, how our fall into one party autocracy and societal collapse plays out. And yes, it means I do a lot of web searches that might excite an onlooking behavioral research agent. Sadly, they’d find I’m yet another boring false positive, though if the nation does succumb to autocracy, I’d certainly write for the resistance. FBI may not care so much about that.
We often look up creepy things just so see if we can, and we do that a lot more than because we’re eager to build a bomb or fast-track our inheritance.
a salted bomb and nuke Jerusalem even though that is an entirely viable evil plot that may even create a net negative death toll.
Wait, how would a nuke with extra radiation fallout create a net negative death toll?
Because religious fanatics have been fighting over controlling access to the holy sites for centuries now, and show no sign of slowing down.
Making the place an exclusion zone would devalue those sites, except for the most determined.
I guess making that whole area uninhabitable for decades means less wars fighting to claim it.
The saltiness comes from all the jizz.
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instead of knowing someone in the neighborhood is researching how to get away with murder.
…how would I know that?
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I missed the original comment and this discussion now makes no sense. Why would you edit the content of your comment when you don’t care about the points or the outrage?
I forget the details, but the long and short of it was that they were advocating for anyone found sending these prompts to an AI being put on an FBI watch list, along with something along the lines of “you’d want to know if your neighbor was doing this.” Then came at least three edits about how they didn’t care about downvotes.
Your psycho-pass is clouding, and your crime coefficient is well over 100.
insert surprised pikachu face here
Wait… so you meant to tell me that predatory simps are using AI incorrectly? Man…. If only someone could have called this years ago- something could have been done to minimize it!
Who knew that unchecked growth could lead to negative results?!
But they did, AI Dungeon got nerfed so bad you could only have happy adventures with.
I don’t know what that is.
It was an AI text adventure game based on GPT 2 (nowadays it uses a more advanced custom LLM) . It released a long time ago and lots of people repurposed it as an interactive erotica novel
😂I tried it as well, and literally every story ended in something erotic somehow 🤣
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IIRC it was a sort of AI Dungeon Master for games like DnD
It wasn’t really like DND, it was like those old text based adventure games you would be able to play on DOS PCs before they got advanced enough for proper 2d graphics. Except this one was AI generated using GPT2 to have infinite interactive scenarios
It still exists if you want to check it out yourself, but it no longer uses GPT2
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yea i don’t have a problem with people with issues having non-harmful outlets for their urges, even though i might consider those outlets distasteful.
So it’s less about outlets and more about progression. The concern is while plenty have an outlet they can use, we can’t know how many also choose to escalate because of these outlets.
That said, I do agree with you. However, I will always be more for understanding the disorder when no act has occurred and finding treatment.
…what’s the Ai model trained on?
yikes
A sex chatbot? Ask the developers. I would just scrape AO3.
Do you think there’s a public database of statutory rape chatlogs?
Not at all surprising but also it is an AI
A bit off topic… But from my understanding, the US currently doesn’t have a single federal agency that is responsible for AI regulation… However, there is an agency for child abuse protection: the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect within Department of HHS
If AI girlfriends generating CSAM is how we get AI regulation in the US, I’d be equally surprised and appalled
To be honest it is more likely to get porn banned in the U.S. and we’ll watch rapes/sexual assaults/abductions/murders of the people involved go up.
Ain’t that what are the tools there for. I mean I don’t like cp and I don’t want to engage in way with people who like it. But I use those llms to describe fantasies that I wouldn’t even talk about with other humans.
As long as they don’t do it on real humans nobody is hurt.
The problem with AI generated CP is that if they’re legal, it opens a new line of defense for actual CP. You would need to prove the content is not AI to convince real abusers. This is why it can’t be made legal, it needs to be prosecuted like real CP to be sure to convict actual abusers.
This is an incredibly itchy and complicated theme. So I will try not go go really further into it.
But prosecute what is essentially a work of fiction seems bad.
This it not even a topic new to the AI. CP has been wildly represented in both written and graphical media. And the consensus in most free countries is not to prosecute those as they are a work of fiction.
I cannot think why an AI written CP fiction is different from human written CP fiction.
I suppose “AI big bad” justify it for some. But for me there should be a logical explanation behind if we would began to prosecute works of fiction why some will be prosecuted and why other will not. Specially when the one that’s being prosecuted is just regurgitating the human written stories about CP that are not being prosecuted nowadays.
I essentially think that a work of fiction should never be prosecuted to begin with, no matter the topic. And I also think that an AI writing about CP is no worse than an actual human doing the same thing.
I’m unfamiliar with the exact situation here, but when it comes to generative AI as I understand it, CP image output also means CP images in the training data.
That may not strictly be true, but it is certainly worth investigating at minimum.
Common misconception. AI can take an image of a child and an image of a naked woman and produce an image of a naked child (who does not resemble either the child or the woman). There’s no need for actual CP in the dataset.
Maybe the next step to actually life these fantasies are so close they still become a problem because the hand isnt satisfying enough to use?
The problem with that argument is, that you can translate that to games, movies, books and basically everything. What if a person isn’t satisfied by killing people in pc games? What if they go into real life?
That argument is only valid for people who can’t differentiate between reality and fiction. And usually those people need medical help.
If it’s one thing I trust chronically online incel creeps to do, it’s manipulate online tools to access or create CSAM.
I mean, a lot of women get raped as a child, sadly
So its pretty realistic for an AI gf to talk about her past trama of child sexual abuse. I don’t think we should be upset about this…
We need to talk about rape culture to end rape culture
Do you think that these AI girlfriends are trained to be as realistic as possible?
Maybe enough forum boards were scraped where women were discussing this happening that it became a significant data point?
What we really need is a conversation about organized religion since those organizations by far molest the most children.
Definitely.
wow really, i never would have guessed/s
Paywall. That site frankly does not even look legit and looking at the plethora of other AI sites I don’t know who would use this one. It’s not even displaying correctly and has like 0 information on anything. If I were to stumble upon that site I’d think it is shady as hell.
You are almost definitely getting downvoted because it sounds like you’re saying 404media is not legit. I realize that you’re not, but I’ll admit I interpreted it incorrectly at first.
Is 404 an AI site?
No but having misinterpreted your message once myself and then seeing the replies, I was just letting you know.
I think when people read “this site” in the comments, they assume it refers to the link itself. So while the rest of your comment makes it clear, you try to connect it to the (incorrect) assumption. Like 404media isn’t a very pretty site so I can see why someone might insult the aesthetics?
I don’t know, I wasn’t picking a fight or anything
The site looks fine to me, I’m not sure where your criticism is coming from.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the linked news article website. My mistake, I wasn’t about to check out the site that allegedly lets you make CP
I specifically called it an AI site. I really don’t know how people can confuse that.
You mentioned other AI sites, you didn’t call it an AI site. It’s kind of hilarious how many people told you why your comment wasn’t clear, and yet you insist that everyone else is the problem. Lol
Yeah? Other more actually legit ones, contrary to the one that this whole topic is about. You got to be willfully obtuse to get this wrong.
The manga girl?
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It is a independent publication for tech critical journalism, founded by ex motherboard journalists. Only some of their stuff is paywalled, some only requires free account. Agree on their site but their journalism is usually pretty good.
Literally not paywalled.
And they did this for free posts because there’s lots of sites that scrap and re"publish" articles.
Accountwalled then
I know this isn’t necessarily helpful, but 404media has an account wall, not a paywall. You authenticate by email without a password.
They aren’t talking about the 404media site.
Ah, pardon my misunderstanding. I thought the two paragraphs weren’t related.
There are better ways to assess the legitimacy of a media outlet than critiquing its web design. The Wikipedia page might be a good start.
I don’t like the loginwall, but it doesn’t require payment.
They aren’t talking about the news site. They are talking about the AI site.
You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
I also think the issue was with your comment. It could’ve been written a bit more clearly
I don’t know how my comment is unclear. Unless 404 is an AI site somehow, which I wouldn’t even know about.
Paywall. That site frankly does not even look legit and looking at the plethora of other AI sites I don’t know who would use this one. It’s not even displaying correctly and has like 0 information on anything. If I were to stumble upon that site I’d think it is shady as hell.
The “Paywall” followed by “That site” makes most people think (me included) that you’re talking about the news outlet, 404media, not the AI site mentioned. Writing something like this:
Paywall. The AI site they mention does not even look legit (…)
Wouldn’t leave such a wide margin for misinterpretation
No. “Paywall” followed by a period, also known as “full stop”, followed by a line break / new paragraph (which you conveniently removed), which all indicate a separation, followed by comparing the AI site to “other AI sites”. You have to be willfully obtuse to assume that when I talk about AI sites I’m referring to the news site there.
followed by a line break / new paragraph (which you conveniently removed)
I removed nothing. Maybe your client works with single line breaks. The browser ignores a single line break (enter) and only works with one extra empty line.
this will | this will render render as a | single line | a separate paragraphI think you’re having a Principal Skinner meme moment here…
Could it be me who wrote a comment that was slightly unclear?
…
No, it’s couple dozen or so other commenters who are wrong.
fucking disgusting
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Found the incel. Literally nobody mentioned anything about feminism. You’re just telling on yourself.
He’s revealing he’s either a sock puppet or a bot. Notice the weird disconnected and aggressive comments in a lot of these post follow the same idea. They just try to drum up conflict. Ignore them.
Edit: They deleted the comment when called out. Totally not guilty looking at all. The comment basically complained how the feminist agenda is taking over the world, written in a rather aggressive and confrontational tone. (As if trying to provoke conflict/engagement)
Yeah fair enough.
Yes, no one could actually disagree with western man hating feminism. It’s all provocateurs haha.
And you can identify secondary accounts, or their co-shills by the use of similar language. Probably picked up from their script. Pay attention to words like “provocateur” or “reactionary”. You know, the ones no one uses in real life.
Actually I’m not an incel. I buy my sex. And how much of a sheltered softy do you have to be to believe women won’t date anti-feminists. Isn’t Donald Trump on his 5th wife?
There’s a bit of a difference between “Pretend girlfriends” and “Child abuse material”
Ackshualllly, it’s ephebophilia because these are young women above the age of…
/s
Just kidding, it’s CP
This is a weird one, because while fantasy is fantasy, and doesn’t necessarily indicate an intention to act on anything, these people were dumb enough to share these specific fantasies with some random AI porn site. That’s got to be an indicator of poor impulse control, right?
That alone should probably warrant immediate FBI background checks, or whatever relevant agencies have jurisdiction for these types of criminal investigations in each user’s locality.
Of course, I am saying it’s without actually having read any of the chats. So it’s possible my opinion would change from “this should be investigated”, to summary executions and burn the bodies for good measure… but no way I’m reading those fucking chats.
Just to be clear, are you saying that people should be investigated by the police for fictional stories that they read?
*ask to be written
Tomato, to-illegal.
I mean, if those stories were made by their prompts and about having sex with children then maybe 🤷♂️
I know we need to draw a line about what police can do with that sort of info so it’s not abused, but these people are still sick fucks.
Now that devices are starting to have built in features with AI automatically combing through all information on them, the idea of this sort of stuff being logged in the first place is concerning.
For instance, should someone prompting an AI to describe them beating up and torturing their boss be flagged for “potentially violent tendencies”? Who decides the “limit” where “privacy” no longer applies and stuff should be flagged, logged and sent off to authorities?
As I see it, the real issue is people being hurt, not text or fictive materials, however sickening they might be.
If the resources invested in spying on people and making databases were instead directed towards funding robust and publicly available psychiatric care I expect that’d be more efficient.
Physical crimes need to be addressed physically.
Psychological crimes need to be addressed psychologically.
And what shall be the threshold for criminalizing simply being a sick fuck?
Right? Let’s demonize vore fetishists next, those are clearly cannibals in waiting.
Or horror movie fans
Clearly they watch it because they enjoy causing terror. They’re basically putting themselves in the shoes of the antagonist, and these movies make our more likely that they will take action on these impulses.
Anyone who’s ever played an FPS is most definitely a terrorist-in-training
I know we need to draw a line about what police can do with that sort of info so it’s not abused
A bit off topic but there is never a line. Once the government has your info, any of your info, it WILL be abused.
No, I am saying that sharing fantasies about underage children with a shady and poorly designed AI porn site, shows a serious lack of judgement and impulse control.
For that reason, yeah, they probably deserve having a quick review of their life to make sure that’s the only poor choice they’ve made in regards to that particular fantasy.
And they weren’t just reading, they were prompting the LLM model to generate these specific fantasies. They didn’t just come across a fucked up website and read a few forum posts.
If we investigated everyone with poor impulse control, we’d be investigating 80% of the world.
80% of the world shares their pedophile fantasies with shoddy AI LLM porn sites…?
bro we got literal pedophiles roaming the streets… catholic church, other “churches”, hollywood and youtube “influencers” all have known pedophiles WHO NOT BEING PROSECUTED FOR THE CRIMES THEY ALREADY COMMITTED
But you want state resources wasted what is essentially a thought crime or because “they might be pedophiles”?
🤡
Idiots can’t even properly ID the threat… no wonder country is going down the drain.
I heard even a US president is one… and still walks free.
Yes, clinton and trump both flew on Esptain plane… nothing was done.
Ruling class and their regime whores seem to get away with whatever but we got normies wanting FEDS to investigate chat logs of incels to “save the kids, just in case”
“no sex crimes should be investigated until the Catholic Church and Hollywood have been purged of pedophiles”
Well, that’s certainly an opinion.
do you have evidence of a sex crime?
if so, please report to your local prosecutor and police.
I’m just saying, police investigation of fiction creators and readers for the content of their fiction is way over the line of a lot of social and political norms.
(Also, I think you’ll find that police abuse children a lot more than pervy fiction fans do; so really, who should be investigating whom? Investigation into crime is supposed to start with evidence that a crime actually occurred — not with your personal disgust towards someone’s reading matter.)
You’re really going to great lengths to ignore what I’ve been saying, and instead responding to whatever strawman you find most convenient.
Now you’ve moved onto, “why should police investigate pedophiles, when they are the real pedophiles. In fact, the pedophile fantasy users of the site should be investigating the police”.
I mean, do you even hear yourself?
I hate torture-porn movies like the Saw series, but a lot of people are fans of them. Should I worry that those people are likely to commit kidnapping, torture, and murder? Should I advocate that the makers or watchers of those movies be investigated for kidnapping, torture, and murder — without any evidence that a crime was committed?
We don’t send the cops after people for liking murder stories, theft stories, industrial sabotage stories, or treason stories. We shouldn’t send the cops after people for liking stories of Harry Potter getting fucked by Severus Snape either.
I think you should be more careful to distinguish fantasy from reality. Most fiction readers and writers have no problem doing so.
Strawman, strawman, strawman.
Even when I reiterate that we’re not talking about passive consumption of media, but active participation in something else entirely, you can’t help but ignore that, and continue lobbing out fallacy after fallacy.
Maybe you should reread my original comments, and see why your comments have been so pointless, bordering on disingenuous.
So you’re into sending the police after the writers, directors, and producers of the Saw movies, but not the audiences?
I dunno man, that’s still too fascist for my tastes, but you can keep fantasizing about it. I promise I won’t try to send the police after you for your perverted fantasies of state power.
You don’t understand what you are talking about. Legally or otherwise.
Is that an indicator of poor impulse control? Really? Finding some shady back of the internet ai site to put some weird fantasy prompts into to get themselves off? Seems pretty calculated to me. They can’t put it somewhere legitimate where content is moderated and policed. Seems like pretty sound logic to me.
Dont get me wrong, these people are sick. If thats what they are into then theres something wrong, but instead of targeting real kids like so many people actually do, you know, like hollywood, celebrities, musicians, the catholic church etc they are entering prompts and reading stories. Sounds like impulse controlled to me.
