What if I sideload purely to downgrade a bugged app? Just seems like yet another kick in the teeth by Google.
Google’s only providing the option, it’s up to individual devs to enable it on their app. If the app developer has chosen to block sideloading, then they probably have a reason for going out of their way to do so. Whatever you find that reason to be should inform your decision whether or not to continue using their app.
Explain to me what would be the good reasons McDonald’s has to block their app from running on a rooted device because it doesn’t pass SafetyNet or whatever Google is calling it now
Why would I explain something that has nothing to do with this discussion? This has nothing to do with rooted devices.
It’s the same system, it’s all part of play integrity. And that also applies to this bullshit, why does McDonald’s care if I didn’t install their app from the play store?
Can’t you use the website instead? Is the MCDonalds app necessary for orders? I use hermit to sandbox webapps for services which do not require a app.
Why should I know? I’m not a McDeveloper.
If I had to guess, I’d assume it’s because there’s a payment system in their app and they don’t want people monkeying around with it and stealing food.
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If apps like fidelity will run on aurora store withithout safety net and other bullshit, then shiti McDonalds app can take the risk too.
You are poorly educated on the iseue or a bootlicker
Their reasons mean nothing. It’s my device. I shouldn’t have to worry about an application installed on my device being policed because the developer got a hair up their ass about people downgrading.
The phrase “more secure” is becoming meaningless as it keeps being used as a blanket excuse for literally every user hostile change.
Sure, it’s your device. But it’s their app. Ultimately, it’s the developer’s call to make. You don’t have to use their app.
We can still use their app with a little help from my reverse engineering tools.
Cool, sounds like it ain’t a problem for you then. As I imagine it’s not a problem for most people.
unless you are forced to use it, by government, employer, or such
Well then you know where to install it from.
from google play? on my degoogled phone?
Sounds like you’re using a phone that doesn’t meet the requirements specified by your employer. Might I suggest asking them for a company phone?
Sounds like the app developer does not want to support you as a user. You should take it up with devs that do this if that’s a concern.
I thought you could not downgrade non-debuggable apps?
But you can uninstall them and install a lower version
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Well, the issue will be developers of other apps would force us to re-google since any build of the app would be useless unless installed from the play store…
MicroG devs are working on fakeing play integrity api since 2023: https://github.com/microg/GmsCore/issues/2050
it seems that play integrity continue to change internally day to day… He is waiting that google stabilize it. Then will be a pull request.
Are they? Other comments in different PRs seem to indicate they have no intention of trying to subvert play integrity. Is there something more recent than this that indicates they’re trying?
And…move to iOS? The even more locked down platform? What solution are you proposing here?
You can degoogle on Android you know. Takes some effort, but the end result is better than moving into a walled garden.
You can degoogle on Android you know.
only if your device is supported. Most aren’t…
LineageOS with microg works for most devices
Issue is that it is no secure. People should be buying pixels flashing calyx or graphene going forward for their next upgrade IMHO
Issue is that it is no secure.
Explain. I’m tired of hearing this boogeyman, tell me exactly how Lineage is “not secure” but Graphene is?
Then maybe give me some examples of cases where that difference has actually been a problem.
Because it feels like a lot of these “unsecure” things people hand-wring over are really just user freedoms they may use to hurt themselves, not actual vulnerabilities that can’t be avoided with common sense.
Primarily because bootloader is not lockable, plus delayed updates.
Also, they do some weird thing with how it is developed. I think it is always in some weird “developer” state but I don’t remember details.
Can we also sue Google for the same shit as apple? Sideloading isn’t enough.
This is the individual app’s fault and not Googles. It’s like getting mad at Steam for allowing apps with DRM. Is feature is entirely optional and requires extra effort to implement.
Also didn’t Google already get sued in the USA for Android not being open enough or something like that.
Not a single app on my phone was installed through Google Play, it’s all Aurora. Guess if apps really do this i’ll just have to stop using them, cause I’m not installing the play store.
Quick question: what is the advantage of using Aurora to get apps instead of the Play Store?
I have Aurora but i don’t understand that, afaik both use the same APKs and can update interchangeably?
At first I thought Aurora remove some of the app’s tracking beacons but that’s not the case.
I wish i can degoogle my phone but its a few months old so no rom support and its a samsung :<
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BOOOOO!
YOUR DECISIONS ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.
google, not op
The whole tech world saw Microsoft Palladium as a nightmare scenario, but was quiet ten years later when Apple and Google did the same thing to our phones. That was a mistake.
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when will this shit be cracked.
time to demand apps in other repositories. Bonus if it’s f-droid compatible
Well that’s an easy fix. I just won’t use those apps.
So no banking apps for you? I agree that this is shit, but pretending we are not hit by this is not helping.
Also, I don’t really use banking apps anyway because they already pull similar shit and I can get around it. For now.
Fortunately so far I haven’t come across a bank here in the Netherlands that wouldn’t work because my phone was rooted or because I’m running grapheneos. Hope it stays that way too.
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Honest question though: what are you using banking apps for?
On the rare occasion I need to actually interact with my bank, I log in using the browser.
There are, unfortunately, some features banks make mobile app exclusive (e.g. Zelle sometimes, check deposit).
I have a spare phone I keep in my drawer for when I really need a banking app.
My bank doesn’t have a web browser interaction ;(
WTF
