• jas0n@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Hmmm… I’m a staunch pacifist and also 100% behind helping Ukraine. These things are not at odds because the enemy of pacifism is aggression. The person that can actually end the war is on the other side of the world.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      8 days ago

      Then you are not a pacifist. Words mean things.

      You don’t get to call yourself a pacifist, let alone a staunch one, and then rally around the defense of the fatherland, even if it’s your own fatherland, which in this case I’m assuming it’s not. This is complete nonsense and hypocrisy.

      I’m a Roman Legionnarie out fighting in Gaul, but I’m a “staunch pacifist,” you see, because Rome made an alliance with one of the Gallic tribes and its neighbor tried to mess with it, so now, I’m out here slaughtering foreigners hundreds of miles away from home to defend Rome’s honor. But I’m a pacifist, you see!

      What the hell does “pacifism” mean to you?

      Here’s how Google defines it:

      the belief that any violence, including war, is unjustifiable under any circumstances, and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means.

      I’ve read works by actual pacifists such as Tolstoy, whose views reflected that definition. Can you cite any “pacifist” who thinks supporting a war, even a defensive one, is consistent with pacifism?

      • YeetPics@mander.xyz
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        7 days ago

        Don’t you have some imperialist colonialism to support with actions and deny by word?