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        I wouldn’t call them ‘better’ alternatives. They’re easier to install for sure. Personally, I’ve used revanced, newpipe, and libretube and love them all. I stuck with newpipe, since that’s what my family uses now, and it’s easier to troubleshoot when I have it too. And revanced takes some steps, more than just “install this package, done”.

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          And revanced takes some steps, more than just “install this package, done”.

          It depends. Personally I patch it and then share the patched apk with friends and family, so for them it’s literally just “install this package, done” without compromising security.

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              Tbh I share an apk twice a year on a shared Whatsapp group and that’s all the “maintaining” I do, so I don’t care that much. I’ve had worse

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                not gonna lie, a little envious that your family knows how to install from apk, that would be my first bottleneck. They would hit the first scare screen and raise the white flag

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            just make sure you either install it for them or let them know to only install this app not any app. getting them in the habit of installing any apk from email/text is bad news bears

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          I’d say they are objectively better, because are independent, free & open source apps, instead of relying on patching Google’s proprietary software.

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            They aren’t better IF you enjoy most of YouTubes features. Usability is key, and messing around with Revanced manager twice a year has been worth it easily.

            Being OS doesn’t suddenly make worse UX better.

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            I appreciate your viewpoint, as it’s a part of what makes the software development community so great. I don’t necessarily agree with it, personally, since they all rely on proprietary backend (YouTube), but I truly do appreciate it.

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              I just don’t want any proprietary software on my devices (for many reasons, most importantly privacy and user freedom). I can use a VPN to privately connect to the YouTube backend, but things get much harder when the proprietary spyware is actually on my device.

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                I don’t disagree with this point. Calling them objectively better however, is not covering the whole story imo. They are objectively better if your goal is to deproprietarize (not a real word) as much as possible. But if your goal is to just block ads as seamlessly as possible while still keeping all other features in YouTube, then those FOSS apps drop to subjectively better.

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                  Well yeah, I agree. FOSS apps do lack features like logging in (to a Google account), the recommendation algorithm, etc. On the other hand, ReVanced is not exactly easy to install for new users. Both approaches are valid and get the job done (blocking annoying ads). I appreciate the calm and pleasant conversation.

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            Which one of those do I pick if I actually want to be logged in and have Youtube keep track of my watch history, automatically synchronized between devices?

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              Revanced with MicroG. I use YouTube 50/50 on mobile and Shield (SmartTube) and if my watch history, subscriptions etc. didn’t work, I wouldn’t be using it.

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              If you want to use YouTube for that, it seems like ReVanced is your only option. But you can also create an account on a Piped instance, and have your playlists synced. LibreTube is the only app that supports this.

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          I know that it exists, I don’t think it’s a particularly good solution on Android though. There are native apps like the ones I mentioned before.

          Btw syncing an SQLite database with syncthing sounds painful. How often do you have to deal with sync conflicts?

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        Now do Android TV! All I want is to be able to allowlist channels for my kids but block everything else. I know an htpc is a better option but I’m lazy.

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      SmartTube is so good. You get it for no ads; you keep it for all the dope features. It’s like YT way back in the day with more advanced shit for anyone that loves tinkering with all the fiddly bits.

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      I run:

      Android: LibreTube

      PC: Freetube (w/ Firefox redirect plugin)

      AndroidTV: SmartTubeNext

      This is literally the only way I will view content on YouTube.

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      iOS DID have Yattee, but it’s basically unusable at this point unless I’m doing something terribly wrong on my end. Every time I try to use it, even when signed in, I get errors no matter which back end I use.

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          Brave can also block YT ads, but I’m not so sure about the extensions. If all you care about is blocking ads, brave is good enough. If you care about sponsorblock and many other FF extensions, Orion is probably way better.

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        It doesn’t work, because it relies on Piped/Invidious. Both are currently broken, because Google is trying everything to block third party clients/APIs/proxies for YouTube.

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    This presents a good demonstration of what we can expect Alphabet / Google / Youtube to do if ever it should win its war on adblockers, or convince people to watch YouTube without vetting. Any time it promises to compromise and make a tolerable user experience, it will ratchet up advertisement plugs until it becomes intolerable.

    This is why we can’t relent, ever.

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    It wouldn’t be so bad if they actually had ad breaks instead of stopping my video mid sente… SHAVE YOUR BALLS WITH MANSCAPE… nce

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    Yeah, it’s bad…… I didn’t feel like login into my premium account the other day and it was kinda much…….

    I am hoping we get a Democrat to in office this year. With the balls(Well she technically does not have balls; but you get my drift) to break some FUCKING monopolies up. We need to break up Ma Bell again

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      Harris is married to the brother of an Uber executive. If you were hoping for a trust-buster, you picked the wrong candidate. Those $500k/plate fundraising dinners she hosts are coming entirely out of the Silicon Valley mega-millionaire bracket.

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            I understand that but what would you serve on this plate, an apartment in new york city?

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              what would you serve on this plate

              A piece of paper with only a heading: “Insert lobby request here:”

              And a footer: “Your business is important to us, thanks for supporting Democracy™”

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    They have actually started serving ads with a skip button… That only skips to the next ad.

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      That’s been a thing for years now like back before I got premium which was at least 4 years ago the skip button would skip the first ad and then bring you into a timed ad afterward that you couldn’t skip, was obnoxious as hell

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        I got premium

        Don’t expect things to improve after happily paying consecutive ransoms.

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          it’s improved for me, as someone who easily watches 20ish hours of video a week It’s worth it for me to not have to deal with all the hassle of ad block on it. I run a pihole for everything else but the cat and mouse game got old. I currently get my money’s worth, but if it raises much further I’ll cancel.

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            Not “if” but “when”. They have you and million others on the hook and already plan their next step to extract more money from you.

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              yea and when that happens I just cancel, then I can worry about all the ad blocking and stuff, but currently it’s worth it for me

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    Thats why i have a dumb tv with a little linux pc attached to it, so i can open piped and jellyfin in my librewolf browser.

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        Set up a mini PC like a used Lenovo ThinkCentre, install Linux, and add a keyboard with trackpad. Run Jellyfin and Piped on your homelab, then ‘obtain’ media for your Jellyfin-Instance. Enjoy TV without distractions or tracking!

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          Follow ups,

          Whats the trackpad for?

          Any guide on jellyfin setup?

          Also homelab 😂😂

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            Trackpad: Because i decided to not go with anything like kodi, i need a mouse and as i can not use a mouse when sitting on the couch i got a keyboard with integrated trackpad.

            Jellyfin: There are a hole lot of guides on jellyfin. Just put it in to youtube and you will find plenty of stuff. The only thing is ‘obtaining’ the media to fill your library. There are a lot of ways and it depends on what language you need your content to be in to make any decision.

            Homelab: Well if you want to run anything like piped or jellyfin you need a homelab. This could also be just a RaspberryPi. To get Piped with subscription feed running you can use my guide: https://gist.github.com/WreckingBANG/405235949c655cd8246188ba25c42277

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        1. Go to <insert distro>.com
        2. Download iso
        3. burn iso to usb stick (ventoy!)
        4. install on pc
        5. install ublock origin on firefox
        6. done

        also get a dumb tv ofc

        edit: despite what people will say, ubuntu is still a rock solid distro. Alternatively, tumbleweed is brilliant too.

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          You don’t need a dumb TV, just switch the input. If your TV shows ads when connected to other inputs, yeet that TV out of your house today.

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            Disconnect it from your network. Hard to serve ads if it can’t contact the servers it is pulling them from.

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              Got a new TV a month ago. Fucked up and connected it to wireless, no idea what I was thinking. The only way to kill the connection (from the TV side) was a factory reset.

              Windows is like that now. Once you enter an internet connection, you’re screwed. No way out but a full reinstall.

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          despite what people will say, ubuntu is still a rock solid distro. Alternatively, tumbleweed is brilliant too.

          real!! just do the thing to disable snaps and it’s perfect for anyone

          EDIT: actually turns out snaps have gotten really good lately, ubuntu is still great!!!

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            I disagree. Native packages are still a bit more hassle-free, but snaps have gotten really good by now. And you can do some things that debs can’t, like setting up an entire nextcloud installation with a four-words-long terminal command.

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              huh, cool i didn’t know that!! i havent heard much news of snaps except for when they first came out and were kinda shit lmao

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        You could also use Chromecast with SmartTube. Works like a charm. Let me know if you need help with it.

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        Well its just old sony tv and i am looking for a replacement with better quality and it is pretty hard to find anything. I will probably just go with a smart tv and never connect it to the internet. You can hack samsung TVs to jump straight into a hdmi input so i will probably do that even tho i am not happy with it.

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      Are you me? Except I use FreeTube instead of Piped. I am so happy with this solution. Years of discontent of watching services going through the enshittification cycle… everything just becoming so underwhelming. This has given me back freedom over my own media consumption. No ads. No endless scrolling through bullshit content. Just a nicely personally curated selection of movies and TV shows (on Jellyfin) and an ad-free YouTube-experience with sponsorblock and dearrow enabled, and blocking of live chats and shorts.

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    Honestly looking at the article this seems way less intrusive than pre-roll and mid-roll video ads. If this was to replace them I’d be ok with that. But this is Google so of course it’s just going to be as well as, so my adblocker is staying on for as long as it works

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      I’m just tired of my electronics doing “extra”. I want to pause the video/player, I don’t want that to activate other activities for my device to perform…I just want to pause the fucking video. They’re all guilty of this though, either they show ads or screenshots of what they want you to watch next. I can’t even pause a video anymore to look at something or show something. The amount of times I’ve paused to have a discussion and the distracting shit plays in the background annoyed me to the point I no longer use the “smart tv” to watch anything and only use the tv hooked up to the comp so I can actually control and have a pleasant viewing experience.

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    It’s funny because I only hear about ads now from you guys. I never see them myself.

    Using freetube on a Linux media player connected to my TV and Newpipe on the phone.

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      How did you get newpipe to work? It’s been broken for me for like the past 3 weeks.

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        It was broken for a day but there was an update on f Droid. Just installed that and it’s been fine.

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        Latest NewPipe 0.27.2 installed from F-Droid is able to play videos for me. But you might also try PipePipe or Tubular, which I mostly use these days.

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        Come on man, you’re breaking the echo chamber. We’re here to shit on Google, not give them more money

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          I’m happy he pays, keeps Google happy enough to not care too much about people who won’t.

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    I wouldn’t mind them if they didn’t BREAK MY REMOTE’S PLAY BUTTON.

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      I was casting a video to my shield from my phone and ended up needing to pause for a phone call during an ad roll. Pausing worked fine but the play button on my phone was completely unresponsive after. Thankfully the shield remote still worked, but clearly play/pause during ads is handled differently than during normal videos and something is broken.

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    Not only is this true and annoying, but other things about the ads are getting worse, too.

    I recently had to factory reset my TV and, after the first time I opened the YouTube app, immediately had to find the “don’t play video preview” option. It worked, except for the huge banner ad at the top of the list of videos, which still saw fit to play with deafening sound when I didn’t immediately change the video selection. I can’t find a setting to disable this.

    Also, I’ve noticed the “fewer ads for this long video” message popping up during videos longer than thirty minutes (and now it seems like longer than twenty minutes). Not only is that message condescending like they’re doing me a favor, but I’m pretty sure it’s not true, at least not by much; and the ads are definitely longer and mostly unskippable.

    Like someone else says in this thread, it feels like extortion.

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      Try this, if your TV can run it: https://smarttubeapp.github.io/ No ads, and there is even sponsor block included, so you don’t have to hear the annoying „segue to our sponsor“ and „please like and subscribe“ nonsense.

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    They’ve even started having “next” instead of “skip” so it just goes to another ad. But the worst is when it gives you an unstoppable 90 second ad roll, comes back to the video for all of 2 seconds and starts yet another 90 second ad roll.

    If I want to watch YouTube on the bigger screen now, I just open it in Firefox on my VR headset.

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      I’ve had it return from ads, make the video playback stutter. I refresh/reload or whatever, jump back in, get more ads, video playback stutter. It’s annoying as fuck

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        I have that issue when watching on Firefox (no matter the device). Always have to reload the video to get the frame rate back in sync otherwise it looks like it’s playing at sub 24fps making even a live action video look like the Spider-Verse movie animation.

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          Oh, this is on android yt app.
          Pixel 8pro, so Google & Google.
          There isn’t any variable that they don’t have control of.
          Video playback after ads skips 500ms, plays 500ms, skips 500ms etc. Changing quality doesn’t fixing it. Play/pause doesn’t fix it, skipping doesn’t fix it. I have to fully quit YT app and restart it to get playback again, and chances are it starts the ads again.
          Never had an issue on FF, w10 or Linux.

          I get that streaming video is expensive for bandwidth. And creators need an incentive to create.
          I don’t expect it for free. I don’t YT enough to warrant a premium subscription.
          The ads literally break the platform for me.
          Makes sense to me to get into one of the alternative clients… But I don’t want to not pay my dues… It’s just not worth the £13 a month: there is no way I’m consuming that much content.

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      i used to do this trick to skip ads on the tv app, where i’d go to the report section and click ‘return to video’ but i abused it too much so they took away the report button entirely for me :[

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    does anyone here use librewolf? for the past month or so YouTube has been completely fucked there. constantly freezing, sometimes pic only, sometimes fully as if my internet is slow, which it isn’t.

    I’m suspecting they’re purposely fucking it for non chromium browsers but haven’t seen much complaining about it. i go back to Vivaldi for YouTube for now which works perfectly but soon enough the ublock will stop working.

    does it happen to anyone? is it non chromiums? is it librewolf? is it just mine?

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      Yes. Noticed yesterday. I was even logged in to a friend’s YouTube Premium account. Loaded like I have slow internet.

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      Yep, when ive resorted to yt directly on librewolf it usually freezes/buffers and tab needs refreshing every 5-10mins or so of vid. Sometimes it’s ok. Pretty inconsistent. I use ublock and sponsor block with librewolf . Usually i use invidious or yattee, Which have their own issues also playing whackamole with the giant

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        based on another comment I’ll check out privacy badger and noscript; see if that helps

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      I’m using LibreWolf with uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and NoScript where I selectively allow scripts and I never got an ad served on YT

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          People keep saying this but test, it catches few things uBlock doesn’t and it allows you to control access level for these items as needed.

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        i don’t get ad served either, that wasn’t my question… but maybe it’s the script thing, i don’t have script blockers.