I would say the very second passenger car traffic exceeds the environmental impact of the cruise industry. How much environmental damage does Carnival Cruise Lines do compared to all the highway traffic in the United States? We’re talking an entirely recreational industry here, if all cruise ships disappeared tomorrow society would keep right on rolling. Cases of norovirus would decrease.
You want passenger rail to increase in the United States? Great. Let’s start with Amtrak’s website. I live within walking distance of an active Amtrak station. Several times in my life I’ve had a want or need to travel cross country, and it occurred to me “I wonder if I could take the train.” The answer, inevitably, is no. I go to Amtrak’s website, pick a starting station and a destination station, and usually they outright can’t plan a trip between those locations. Not even capable of saying things like “take the Silver Star to Grand Central station in New York, wait 8 hours, then take the Lake Shore Limited to Chicago.” It proved to be less work on my part to drive, fly as a passenger on an airliner, and fly as pilot of a Cessna, than take the train in this country.
An “absurd fantasy” is sitting on the highway and expecting not to get run over. A few states have made it expressly legal to run people over in these circumstances.
I’d call it absurd to think it’s acceptable to murder people with a car due to a minor inconvenience and then celebrate it like you are. Pretty disgusting, too.
If you know there’s going to be a traffic jam at 5PM on the I-Fuckit, aggravated by your presence, is that not intent or, at the very least, gross negligence?
Because as numerous studies have proven, there is no road design for individual cars that alleviates traffic. Period. The design doesn’t exist. Actually addressing traffic would involve severely reducing car lanes and vastly expanding public transit.
Now, if you want to propose going after the car and oil companies that pushed car-centric development starting in the early 20th century and continued despite knowing climate change was real and that car centric development was a major contributor, I’m sure everyone in this group will agree with you.
For kidnapping, the person would have to sequester you and not let you leave. For stealing, they would have to physically take you car. It would probably get towed but I’d hardly consider that stealing.
I get the point you’re trying to make but the way you are going about it is kind of silly.
It’s also important to note that blocking traffic is a form of peaceful protest. If our politicians would listen to strongly worded letters or what the population wants, they wouldn’t be needed.
Stop being part of the problem. Learn what’s in your best interest and stop being easily manipulated. Like how often do you get caught in traffic because of a protest? I bet it hasn’t even happened to you but the media told you to be mad about it so you are.
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At what point do carbrains become liable for destroying the environment?
I would say the very second passenger car traffic exceeds the environmental impact of the cruise industry. How much environmental damage does Carnival Cruise Lines do compared to all the highway traffic in the United States? We’re talking an entirely recreational industry here, if all cruise ships disappeared tomorrow society would keep right on rolling. Cases of norovirus would decrease.
You want passenger rail to increase in the United States? Great. Let’s start with Amtrak’s website. I live within walking distance of an active Amtrak station. Several times in my life I’ve had a want or need to travel cross country, and it occurred to me “I wonder if I could take the train.” The answer, inevitably, is no. I go to Amtrak’s website, pick a starting station and a destination station, and usually they outright can’t plan a trip between those locations. Not even capable of saying things like “take the Silver Star to Grand Central station in New York, wait 8 hours, then take the Lake Shore Limited to Chicago.” It proved to be less work on my part to drive, fly as a passenger on an airliner, and fly as pilot of a Cessna, than take the train in this country.
And what part of that is my personal fault?
Oh, well, if others are worse then I guess you’re not doing anything wrong.
If you’ve got to lose weight, you cut out the fat, not the muscle.
If you care about the environment, target the worst, least necessary things first. You don’t genuinely care about the environment though.
You got me, I don’t give a shit about the environment, unlike you, the biggest tree-hugger in the world.
Cars not only kill the planet, but they are erode society so they are far worse than cruise ships imo.
The moment the protestors barricade your doors and physically prevent you from leaving your vehicle.
So does forcing someone to stop their vehicle and only proceed on foot count as grand theft auto?
Surely we’re talking about felonies here, and since it’s being done by a group you can add conspiracy as well.
You’re talking about an absurd fantasy.
An “absurd fantasy” is sitting on the highway and expecting not to get run over. A few states have made it expressly legal to run people over in these circumstances.
I’d call it absurd to think it’s acceptable to murder people with a car due to a minor inconvenience and then celebrate it like you are. Pretty disgusting, too.
Yeah, it’s pretty disgusting taking out your feelings on folks just trying to go about their lives and make ends meet.
Hurt. The. Rich. You. Idiots.
I suggest you take a look in the mirror and then take your own advice
I guess it’s all criminals leaving these signs around then.
The same point where you are detained for kidnapping for forcing the other cars to stop in traffic.
Next time there is a jam, just throw everyone in jail for kidnapping each other.
The difference between a traffic jam and protestors blocking traffic is intent.
I take it none of you passed high school civics?
If you know there’s going to be a traffic jam at 5PM on the I-Fuckit, aggravated by your presence, is that not intent or, at the very least, gross negligence?
Is that the drivers’ fault, or the highway engineers’ fault? Why isn’t the highway designed to handle anticipated traffic?
At some point you have to take responsibility for your own actions.
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At this point it’s clear you’re just trolling.
Sure. Whatever.
Because as numerous studies have proven, there is no road design for individual cars that alleviates traffic. Period. The design doesn’t exist. Actually addressing traffic would involve severely reducing car lanes and vastly expanding public transit.
Now, if you want to propose going after the car and oil companies that pushed car-centric development starting in the early 20th century and continued despite knowing climate change was real and that car centric development was a major contributor, I’m sure everyone in this group will agree with you.
The guy who thinks being delayed by a protest is tantamount to kidnapping and murdering is casting aspersions on other’s education.
Nothing’s stopping a driver from getting out of their car and walking away. So never.
So its robbery then.
So I ask again, did the protesters just steal a car?
…no. if you leave your car somewhere is it stolen?
If I leave my car somewhere because a group of people gave me no choice but to do so, yes it is stolen.
Are you planning to do this? Do I need to contact the authorities?
For kidnapping, the person would have to sequester you and not let you leave. For stealing, they would have to physically take you car. It would probably get towed but I’d hardly consider that stealing.
I get the point you’re trying to make but the way you are going about it is kind of silly.
It’s also important to note that blocking traffic is a form of peaceful protest. If our politicians would listen to strongly worded letters or what the population wants, they wouldn’t be needed.
Stop being part of the problem. Learn what’s in your best interest and stop being easily manipulated. Like how often do you get caught in traffic because of a protest? I bet it hasn’t even happened to you but the media told you to be mad about it so you are.
You’re in c/fuckcars buddy. Read the room.
Or when is blocking an ambulance murder?
Never