A Maryland police officer was convicted on Friday of charges that he joined a mob’s Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and hurled a smoke bomb and other objects at police officers guarding a tunnel entrance.

U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden heard two days of trial testimony without a jury this week before he found Montgomery County Police Officer Justin Lee guilty of two felonies and three misdemeanors. The judge, who also acquitted Lee of two other misdemeanors, is scheduled to sentence him on Nov. 22.

Lee, 26, ignited and threw a smoke bomb into the tunnel entrance on the Capitol’s Lower West Terrace, where a mob of rioters attacked a group of outnumbered police officers. The device struck a police officer’s riot shield and filled the mouth of the tunnel with a large plume of smoke, prosecutors said.

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    The thing is, I’m not challenging you on your assertion for the KKK.

    If, for example, we decide to focus on the KKK or better yet just plain Murderers… If you said as you mentioned earlier, “All Murderers are Bastards,” and for some reason I challenged you on that saying, “Okay… Can you prove to me why this murderer is a bastard, specifically?” You’d be able to point to a behavior of… Well, murder.

    If you go with the KKK, well we can fairly surmise that most if not all KKK members are bastards. I’m not really in disagreement… Especially since the actual overarching GOAL of the institution that is the KKK is inherently bastard-like. And if we scrutinized individual members of that group, we’d likely find them all to be bastards. (side note but while Eugene Goodman stood against fascism, I’m sure KKK members were in that January 6th crowd).

    But with Law Enforcement, that’s a bit different, isn’t it? After all, the essence of law enforcement itself is not ostensibly wrong like it is self-evident with the KKK — yes?

    … So ultimately, when I challenge you on, “What makes THIS cop SPECIFICALLY a BASTARD?” — you should be able to point to a specific behavior.

    Thus far, you cannot. So generalizing the population when selecting specific individuals within that population yields no findings of bastard-like qualities… Well, then perhaps our claim of all is logically unfounded.

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      no, it’s not a bit different that is my point, oh my god why are analogies so hard for you

      no it’s not different. in both cases I’m talking about an organization whose main purpose is oppression. you’re disagreeing with one of them, but that doesn’t make my point inconsistent. a specific cop is a bastard because they’re a cop the same way a specific kkk member is a bastard because they’re in the kkk.

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        If they’re not different then why is it so hard for you to pinpoint a bastard behavior of a cop without just invoking a circular reasoning fallacy?

        whose main purpose is oppression

        lmao wtf says who? You? Who made you the arbiter of truth?

        So allow me to go way back to an earlier comment to a point you then deflected: In what magical society do you seek to live in where your participation does not necessitate some sort of accountability for laws established in said Democracy…? What is this Utopian society? Show me. In your dreams? Okay, cool.

        It’s honestly just a fucking shit argument, if I’m honest. Do yourself a favor and get a book on fallacies to improve your arguments. Discrete logic might also be beneficial.

        Because look, there are valid reasons to be disgusted by police culture and I sure as shit don’t have blue lives matter stickers, but these SHIT over-generalizing tropes are doing you no favors to advance change in your cause… Unless your goal is to just complain on a message board and substantively do nothing. Logic dictates MCAB; not ACAB. After all, countless comments show you deflecting showing a sample of the population being a bastard.

        If LEO by extension of a Democracy is a form of oppression, then lawless survival-of-the-fittest winner-take-all is the definition of freedom? Think that through. If you want analogies, last I checked a parent’s main purpose wasn’t OpPrEsSiOn because they set limits and enforced rules of the house… Jesus. This is so profoundly amateur and 2edgy4me.

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          how did you skip the olympics when you’re so good at making enormous leaps of logic

          first of all who said we shouldn’t have accountability. oh wait cops do. about themselves. but i certainly didn’t so why is that even a question?

          also law enforcement by extension of a democracy? lol what

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            Shit man, you jump with a claim and never return back to ground once — you sure you don’t want to be an Astronaut?

            You did when you said the main purpose of cops is “to oppress” lol. TIL enforcing laws established by Democratic institutions = oppression lol.

            This reminds me of a teenager telling their mom they’re feeling oppressed because they didn’t do their chores and are now grounded lol. “Gosh, mom! You’re oppressing my freedom!!”

            I’ll just keep repeating until you answer: In what magical society do you seek to live in where your participation does not necessitate some sort of accountability for laws established in said Democracy…? What is this Utopian society?

            What behavior did Eugene Goodman demonstrate that is bastard-like?

            Bonus: How can such a hand of the law exist without being a bastard in such a magical unicorn world?