• lugal@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Many capitalist models depend on exponential limitless growth. That doesn’t exist in nature

    I mean, that doesn’t change much. There ain’t no other limitless growth in life, is there? The key difference between exponential logistic growth is that the latter has a limite.

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        Limitless as in time, not quantity.

        What does that even mean? Time is on the x-axis, what is on the y-axis if not quantity?

        Your entire premise is false because you’re illiterate.

        Sorry for reading the wrong books apparently…

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        Do you know any useful biological models that are limitless and not exponential? You seem to think that “life is based on” them?

        Also the exponential discussion is a red-herring. You just picked out a detail that was misstated, and pretend to win.

        Now seriously, have you ever heard anyone claim life is based on unlimited growth (outside of this meme)?

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            until the resources or something else intervenes

            Sounds like a limit to me. The entire point is that economic models often don’t take this kind of limits into account. Source: read a book

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              Sounds like a limit to me. The entire point is that economic models often don’t take this kind of limits into account.

              You need to re-read the meme. You’re so close but you can’t see the forest for the trees.

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                The meme makes fun of a post that compares capitalism to cancer by saying “all life is about limitless growth, not just cancer”. This is wrong. Life “knows” its limits. Capitalism doesn’t, neither does cancer

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                  The only limit to life is the available resources, same with cancer, same with capitalism.

                  Life will continue until it ends or consumes the universe, just like cancer does with a human body, or a capitalist does to a society.

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                    Life reaches a balance. Most parasites don’t kill their host and even if they do, they won’t kill the whole population which would kill the parasite itself. Cancer does exactly that. It kills just one individual but can’t spread to others so it destroys its whole basis of being (since it’s not a parasite).

                    Capitalism is on its way to do exactly that. It spreads over the world, exploiting resources beyond repair and just moves on. It expects exponential growth for some reason and that isn’t sustainable. Life doesn’t do that.

                    You can disagree but don’t call me illiterate. I’m trying to keep calm and civil but if you don’t understand my points, maybe you are stupid, not me.

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                  So what limit does life know about time? Or will it continue for eternity?

                  Also might want to look up that latin phrase, I didn’t put it there because it sounded like a fancy spell, it’s a legitimate train of philosophical thought that you obviously have no comprehension of.

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                    You know the difference between existing and growing, do you? You can continue to exist for eternity without growing. A stone doesn’t grow, neither does a forest necessarily even though the trees do until they die. So each tree grows but not for eternity, and the forest doesn’t grow but exists (potentially) for eternity. Capitalism would want the tree to grow eternity.

                    This is a simplification, so is the original post. You can disagree with it and with me, but don’t call me illiterate. I try to keep calm and civil but if you don’t understand my points, maybe you are stupid not me.