This is a touchy situation. In England, like in France, there’s been increasing cases of acts of armed aggression, violence and terrorism from extremist Islamist groups. There is a lot of Islamic radicalization happening in Muslim communities.
It’s a real concern for public safety and people have grown tired of living in fear of the next attack.
There were neighborhoods in cities in both of these countries that if you’re a non Muslim or if you don’t follow the strict rules like women wearing headscarves, you get harassed and attacked.
This anger wasn’t born just out of thin air or only racism.
However, the root cause for this radicalization comes from two things: the frustration from Muslims facing discrimination in the UK and France and colonialism and conflicts in Muslim countries where the UK and France are involved. When Muslims get treated differently at school, face racism, can’t find jobs are their needs are not being met, you get frustration and anger and it gets exploited by bad influences.
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I think people misunderstood what I said here. What in saying is that discrimination and racism and colonialism has led to injustices towards Muslims. In turn, some of them have been exploited and turned into radical Islamists and there’s been increasing numbers in some areas. Some also turned to a life of crime.
But that’s just what happened when any group of people are faced with this kind of discrimination and violence. It isn’t just a Muslim thing.
I don’t hate people for being Muslims. I do hate all religions though.
Yes, I’ve heard about what happened and you’re absolutely right. That event and that hate group sparked those riots based on misinformation. And no, all Muslims shouldn’t be demonized and protested against. If anything, it’s only going to worsen the situation.
I was just stating the facts about the reality in France and the UK regarding the issues they’re been facing with radicalized Islamists that have been growing in numbers and causing violent agressions and terrorist attacks. It’s a real issue.
There were neighborhoods in cities in both of these countries that if you’re a non Muslim or if you don’t follow the strict rules like women wearing headscarves, you get harassed and attacked.
No there isn’t. This is just daily mail nonsense.
Source: I’m visibly gay and live in one of these famous “no go areas”
I answered that same question to another user on this same comment.
There are a few arrondissement in Paris, Marseille and Montpellier among others that you just don’t want to go there because they’re dangerous. Especially at night.
There were neighborhoods in cities in both of these countries that if you’re a non Muslim or if you don’t follow the strict rules like women wearing headscarves, you get harassed and attacked.
Name the cities and neighborhoods or you’re lying. It’s possible someone mislead you, but if you repeat it without verification you’re still lying.
This is like the thing conservatives said about “cities burning to the ground” because of BLM. Whenever you looked into it, it was some rando not associated with any group. Or possibly a right-wing agitator.
Stop repeating the game of telephone. You can literally go to Saudi Arabia without wearing a headscarf. You think Paris is going to be stricter?
Don’t know specifically about the UK, but in France there are definitely no go areas in Paris, Marseille and Montpellier. You can look them up. Paris has the 19e arrondissement, Marseille has the 16e for example.
My friend. I go to France every year. I usually land in Marseille to go visit my in laws.
Two years ago I took a wrong turn and ended up in a car jacking situation. My GPS told me to go through some apartment building parking at night. There were a couple of watchers who gave a signal to a group who had laid down grocery carts up make a barrage. I had to gun it to go around before they closed it. And when I reached the exit of the parking just on the other side, we got cut off by a black Mercedes that blocked the exit. I had to drive over a curb as the group was surrounding our car.
I fucking experienced it.
My in-laws tell me about how they’re scared to go out at night in their town in Valence.
Friends living near Marseille who worked there specifically told us not to visit without them as guides or else it would be too dangerous.
My co workers are practically all French expats from Paris who moved to Quebec in the past 5-10 years and they’ve told me themselves how much of a shit show it has become.
So you can believe what you want. But I’ve actually been there and know people from there and what I’m saying is from their accounts. Not from some news channel in the US.
You were talking about “no go zones” where women are supposedly attacked for not covering their heads in Paris. Now you’re describing some random attempted robbery in Marseille. Those are 100% not the same, unless the carjackers had an ISIS flag or something.
I think you need therapy for PTSD or something. Your experience might be affecting your judgement.
I think it’s fine to be pissed off about any religion, especially if it’s bringing harm and unrest to a community/culture. Historically kind of religion’s thing…
Well with Islam and ethnicity, they’re very closely tied together to a point that criticism of Islam is often perceived as racism. That’s a big problem.
It’s a lie. Just like being anti Zionist is racist. It’s not. Can happily critisize problematic teachings of religious doctrines while having zero problems with a person of that race who also disagrees with the doctrine.
Can happily critisize problematic teachings of religious doctrines while having zero problems with a person of that race who also disagrees with the doctrine.
What race? If you criticize a religion in a way that sounds like you’re attacking a particular race, you’re either being speaking from a place of racism, or you need to seriously rethink the way you’re expressing your criticism.
No. If you read the thread this is in reference to people who attempt to tie their own race with religion. Eg Jewish people who believe an anti Zionist statement is anti Jewish or a criticism of parts of the Koran is somehow an attack on Arab people
It’s thin air and racism. To argue other than that is ignorance and racism. Attacking innocent people no matter what you think a select few from their community do is racism.
This is a touchy situation. In England, like in France, there’s been increasing cases of acts of armed aggression, violence and terrorism from extremist Islamist groups. There is a lot of Islamic radicalization happening in Muslim communities.
It’s a real concern for public safety and people have grown tired of living in fear of the next attack.
There were neighborhoods in cities in both of these countries that if you’re a non Muslim or if you don’t follow the strict rules like women wearing headscarves, you get harassed and attacked.
This anger wasn’t born just out of thin air or only racism.
However, the root cause for this radicalization comes from two things: the frustration from Muslims facing discrimination in the UK and France and colonialism and conflicts in Muslim countries where the UK and France are involved. When Muslims get treated differently at school, face racism, can’t find jobs are their needs are not being met, you get frustration and anger and it gets exploited by bad influences.
Edit:
I think people misunderstood what I said here. What in saying is that discrimination and racism and colonialism has led to injustices towards Muslims. In turn, some of them have been exploited and turned into radical Islamists and there’s been increasing numbers in some areas. Some also turned to a life of crime.
But that’s just what happened when any group of people are faced with this kind of discrimination and violence. It isn’t just a Muslim thing.
I don’t hate people for being Muslims. I do hate all religions though.
These far right roots are rioting because of bullshit. The murderer wasn’t Muslim but the fascists still used that fake pretext to stir up trouble.
Yes, I’ve heard about what happened and you’re absolutely right. That event and that hate group sparked those riots based on misinformation. And no, all Muslims shouldn’t be demonized and protested against. If anything, it’s only going to worsen the situation.
I was just stating the facts about the reality in France and the UK regarding the issues they’re been facing with radicalized Islamists that have been growing in numbers and causing violent agressions and terrorist attacks. It’s a real issue.
This was absolutely born out of of racism and propaganda. The guy who did it is from Wales. They rioted because they were told he was an immigrant.
And yes there are bad parts in any city that harass women. That’s why they prefer the bear. It has nothing to do with being an immigrant or not.
I’m not denying that at all. I completely agree. But we can’t deny that the terrorist attacks that happened in the past didn’t help either.
Sure, but one terrorist attack does not justify another. And crime stats just don’t support this idea of immigrant criminality.
No there isn’t. This is just daily mail nonsense.
Source: I’m visibly gay and live in one of these famous “no go areas”
Ok well maybe in the UK. But in France I know for a fact there are neighborhoods where even the police don’t go anymore because it’s too dangerous.
Damn, really? Where specifically?
I answered that same question to another user on this same comment.
There are a few arrondissement in Paris, Marseille and Montpellier among others that you just don’t want to go there because they’re dangerous. Especially at night.
Name the cities and neighborhoods or you’re lying. It’s possible someone mislead you, but if you repeat it without verification you’re still lying.
This is like the thing conservatives said about “cities burning to the ground” because of BLM. Whenever you looked into it, it was some rando not associated with any group. Or possibly a right-wing agitator.
Stop repeating the game of telephone. You can literally go to Saudi Arabia without wearing a headscarf. You think Paris is going to be stricter?
Don’t know specifically about the UK, but in France there are definitely no go areas in Paris, Marseille and Montpellier. You can look them up. Paris has the 19e arrondissement, Marseille has the 16e for example.
“Definitely”? Lol. You are just repeating 10 year old “Fox and Friends” nonsense. The 19th in Paris is just a working class neighborhood.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/01/paris-no-go-zones-what-life-in-pont-de-flandre-in-the-19th-arrondissement-is-really-like.html
When’s the last time you actually went to France? Or spoken with someone who lives there?
Lol. Yeah man. No one ever goes to Paris.
My friend. I go to France every year. I usually land in Marseille to go visit my in laws.
Two years ago I took a wrong turn and ended up in a car jacking situation. My GPS told me to go through some apartment building parking at night. There were a couple of watchers who gave a signal to a group who had laid down grocery carts up make a barrage. I had to gun it to go around before they closed it. And when I reached the exit of the parking just on the other side, we got cut off by a black Mercedes that blocked the exit. I had to drive over a curb as the group was surrounding our car.
I fucking experienced it.
My in-laws tell me about how they’re scared to go out at night in their town in Valence.
Friends living near Marseille who worked there specifically told us not to visit without them as guides or else it would be too dangerous.
My co workers are practically all French expats from Paris who moved to Quebec in the past 5-10 years and they’ve told me themselves how much of a shit show it has become.
So you can believe what you want. But I’ve actually been there and know people from there and what I’m saying is from their accounts. Not from some news channel in the US.
You were talking about “no go zones” where women are supposedly attacked for not covering their heads in Paris. Now you’re describing some random attempted robbery in Marseille. Those are 100% not the same, unless the carjackers had an ISIS flag or something.
I think you need therapy for PTSD or something. Your experience might be affecting your judgement.
I’m still talking about those zones.
They were Muslims. There were a couple of girls in the group at the barrage that had the full garb. They yelled at each other in Arabic.
I think it’s fine to be pissed off about any religion, especially if it’s bringing harm and unrest to a community/culture. Historically kind of religion’s thing…
But the second anyone brings ethnicity into it…
Well with Islam and ethnicity, they’re very closely tied together to a point that criticism of Islam is often perceived as racism. That’s a big problem.
It’s a lie. Just like being anti Zionist is racist. It’s not. Can happily critisize problematic teachings of religious doctrines while having zero problems with a person of that race who also disagrees with the doctrine.
What race? If you criticize a religion in a way that sounds like you’re attacking a particular race, you’re either being speaking from a place of racism, or you need to seriously rethink the way you’re expressing your criticism.
No. If you read the thread this is in reference to people who attempt to tie their own race with religion. Eg Jewish people who believe an anti Zionist statement is anti Jewish or a criticism of parts of the Koran is somehow an attack on Arab people
I know it is. I’m totally on your side.
Same thing with Jews and Judaism
Huh??
It’s thin air and racism. To argue other than that is ignorance and racism. Attacking innocent people no matter what you think a select few from their community do is racism.
I agree. That’s why I think this whole situation is sad.
You write with such confidence while providing no evidence.
Hyperbolic bullshit.