• Urist@lemmy.mlEnglish
      61·
      4 months ago

      You misunderstand what I am saying: They are mostly (save where hate speech laws apply) allowed to say nasty stuff. They just do not enjoy the privilege of everyone else shutting up about it. I.e., other people react to it and say unkind, possibly nasty stuff back, which the original people in question get butt hurt by and subsequently whine about “the woke mob cancelling them”.

        • Urist@lemmy.mlEnglish
          61·
          4 months ago

          The woke mob wants me to affirm that a transsexual woman is, in fact, a real woman. I will not say that. I would be a lying. I tend to pursue truth. Truth does not care about people’s feelings.

          Ok. Seems to me that you just want a free pass at being an ass.

          She is a real woman even though she does not conform to your expectations of what gender is. Here is the thing though: She does not need your affirmation to

          1. be real
          2. look like a woman
          3. live like a woman
          4. feel like a woman.

          What reason do you have to claim that she is not a “real woman” (whatever that means, I can guarantee that it is not well defined)? Most importantly, if she feels like a woman, even if you disagree on some metaphysical level of nonsense of what is a woman, why would you have the need to tell her what you think? Lastly, why do you think your opinion about her body is important?

            • Urist@lemmy.mlEnglish
              51·
              4 months ago

              Transsexual “women” fail to meet one basic requirement to be considered women: they are not female.

              Ok.

              When the left stretches things up to the point you can face legal consequences for truthful speech, we digress into totalitarianism.

              This is not at all what totalitarianism means, look it up in a dictionary or something.

            • Mia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              51·
              4 months ago

              Look up intersex people and marvel at how loose the definition of being female is. People are born without a womb, mixed genitalia, any combination you can imagine. They’re still considered women. If one can get to such a state, or further, they should too.

              Look up the various studies performed on transgender patients showing how their brain is more aligned to that of females (or males, whichever way they swing), at a biological level.

              Look up how hormonal imbalances during pregnancy can cause such discrepancies. It’s not just a psychological thing, it’s a biological phenomenon that does appear in nature.

              Or don’t. You’re free to remain ignorant, just like you’re free to say whatever you like, but don’t act like the victim when you knowingly say something that’s considered out of line and face consequences.

              Facing consequences for your actions is nothing new, don’t act like it is. Work places and public spaces have had rules of conduct since the dawn of time; what is considered acceptable has shifted as society evolved. You may not like it, but that’s not going to change just because calling someone by their chosen name makes you uncomfortable. Would you consider being disallowed to call black people slurs totalitarianism?

              You are free to say whatever you want, just like people and employers are free to not want to associate with you for the things you say.

                • Mia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  1·
                  4 months ago

                  Less than six hundred intersex people are known to have ever existed. Fertile intersex people can have at most one reproductive organ that can generate offspring. Truly bisexual living beings have been observed in the animal kingdom […]

                  You… you didn’t seriously believe I was thinking of human hermaphrodites when talking about intersex people, did you…? -_-
                  There are FAR more intersex people than 600. It is estimated than 1.5% to 2% of the world’s population is born intersex, to varying degrees.

                  Now, about laws targeted at protecting marginalized communities:
                  They mostly focus on businesses, forbidding them from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity and the like. That is it.
                  There are penal consequences for citizens when it comes to hate speech, but those only apply when such remarks incite violence against individuals, or result in extremely negative outcomes, like suicide.
                  No one’s gonna arrest you for calling someone a slur on the street. Jails would be full if that were the case.
                  This is once again an overreaction to make it appear like people are out to get you.

                  My native language is highly inflected - we have nouns that are either feminine or masculine. Here we have marginalized left-wing organizations promoting a made up grammar that is so convoluted that even those who promote it can not manage to get acquainted with it.

                  Languages evolve.
                  I am familiar with the perils of gendered languages, being a speaker of one myself. They can be adapted, it undoubtedly takes effort.
                  Nobody in their right mind is arguing in favour of supporting every single made up pronoun. I myself am not a fan of neopronouns, some of them are pure madness in my opinion, but a simple they/them can be incorporated into a language. I’ve seen and heard languages being butchered in worse ways, and at least this one is useful. We can leave those who want to be referred to with “starself”, whatever that’s supposed to mean, to worry about explaining everything to everyone they know, to themselves. It would be utterly inpractical to appease everyone, but they/them is manageable.

                  because they want spaces that look less heterosexual and less white

                  You kinda gave yourself away if you have an issue with that. I agree that people should be hired on the base of expertise, not ethnicity or identity, but a more diverse environment is not just some whimsical idea “the woke mob” came up with. It fosters exchange of ideas, societal acceptance, and generally improves work environments for everyone who isn’t xenophobic, all things that are generally desirable in a well integrated society.

                  The “woke mob”, " woke ideology " or whatever you want to call it doesn’t exist. It is an invention of right wing groups to categorise everything they don’t like with, which in most cases just boils down to being decent human beings and not spreading hate. There are zealots, there’s no denying it, but if you just log off of social media and actually get out, you’ll find that no one is after you, no one is implementing all those crazy ideas an extremely small but vocal minority comes up with. So go live your life and relax. The woke mob won’t get you, Italian will still be the same language as it is now, and you’ll still be able to cuss at anyone you don’t like. You’ll be fine.