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This one is actually out of their hands. Lyrics aren’t free sadly and they have to pay for API calls. It’s fucking stupid but the labels are the ones at fault here.
Fuck Spotify nonetheless.
Unless there’s some agreement / licensing thing prohibiting it, and considering that lyrics don’t change, they should be able to do some caching for a total of 1 API call per song
You and I can do that but they’re not just caching they’re redistributing which requires royalties
I guess deaf people aren’t allowed to enjoy music like the rest of y’all.
I’m so sorry but this is the absolute funniest shit I have ever read. 😂
Being deaf is a spectrum. There are plenty of people who still have some hearing, and are “hard of hearing”. There’s deaf people who can enjoy music through the use of hearing aids as well. There’s also totally deaf people who can enjoy music because of the vibrations. There’s people whose hearing is just bad enough that they don’t understand what anyone is saying without subtitles/lyrics. Deaf in only one ear, etc.
I killed my Spotify account when they started shoveling millions of dollars at Joe Rogan, and everything they’ve done since then only confirms I made the right call.
I’m a bit confused. Do deaf people listen to music? Lyrics are generally freely available via Google.
Edit: see reply for a good explanation.
Deafness covers a broad spectrum of hearing difficulty, not just completely deaf. Most people that identify as deaf still have some hearing. I always forget that and had the same question as you until I read a comment further down.
It’s likely that the person isn’t fully deaf and so can still hear some music, but deaf enough that they can’t understand the lyrics. Having the ability to view the lyrics in real time is handy rather than having to search them up all the time. Spotify also shows what lyric is currently being sung in real time, whereas you can’t get that with a Google search.
Aha, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the explanation! I’m going to edit my comment above to point to it.
To be fair, it’s more likely the person isn’t deaf at all and is just complaining.
Why is that more likely?
You are a shitty person, good sir!
I might get a bit of hate for this considering the community name, but Spotify is the one subscription I pay for and don’t feel like I’m getting ripped off. Basically every song I want is on there, they very rarely remove content, and the algorithm actually comes up with decent recommendations. I even like some of the other random features like Spotify wrapped.
But the main difference I see vs other subscriptions is that I don’t feel locked in, since there are no Spotify originals etc if they ever make the service too shit (which admittedly they might since they keep raising the price and trying to shove podcasts down everyone’s throat) I could easily switch to a different streaming service or even go back to just buying music outright
I have Tidal. It costs the same as Spotify but pays artists more and actively promotes up and coming musicians. Also they aren’t part of the military industrial complex, so that’s cool.
Same, Tidal also has better sound quality and a shuffle that actually works
I’m with you on that one. Yeah they are not great. But there are far worse companys.
I like Spotify, and when I want to support and artist I buy their merch, or I go see them live (the amount of money they get from ticket sales depends on if it’s a live nation event or not).
I used to like Spotify. Right now YT music feels just way better. No fluff yet, just music. Plus all of the unofficial covers which are on YT are on YT music
YT music does have a problem with reuploaders stealing revenue through “topics”, Upper Echelon made a video about it a few weeks ago
Sounds like a temporary issue but google does take its time to fix anything
That’s definitely the nice thing about YT music for me. Whatever random niche songs my son wants about games or characters, or ordinary popular music any of us listen to, are always on there. Plus we use regular YT all the time on several devices, so it is literally the only streaming service I pay for.
I just started using Spotify for the first time last year, mainly because I got tired of trying to figure out what this meat paste wanted to listen to
YT is great when you know what you want to hear, but it’s garbage at (music) recommendations (I haven’t tried YT music)
Spoofie isn’t the best, but for right now, it’s worth the price just so I can actually get back to work, and not fiddle with YT for 3 hours looking for music this meat paste wants right now
Although, I’m open to alternatives, if they’re viable
I don’t feel locked in, since there are no Spotify originals etc
I don’t use Spotify so correct me if I’m wrong. But I think Spotify has podcasts that are only available there.
I told my wife about other open source apps that have music without ads, and even though it had the music, there were some podcasts that were not available without Spotify premium outside of Spotify.
You’re probably right there, I don’t listen to podcasts so I was just talking about the music
damn thats crazy, i’m out here with my 300GB collection of music that i own and control and i can just, add lyrics to shit if i want to.
I don’t because i’m not deaf and i don’t really care for lyrics all that much, but it’s also just, automated.
Could you add wrong lyrics to songs for me…
i could… Or i could not.
Hmmm, a question of the ages for sure.
I’m so confused by people under this post defending a company’s scheme to make more money that disproportionately affects disabled people.
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There’s plenty of sites to buy mp3 and download them onto your devices, owning them forever. Pirate if you want to pirate, but don’t blame others for your behavior.
I donate directly to artists, but fundamentally believe art and commerce are antithetical. And I won’t be shamed into paying exploitative middle men.
Do you also buy eggs from farmers and mangoes and coffee directly in tropical countries or there you are fine with exploitative middle men?
I buy local eggs and tea, and mangoes are gross. But good on ya for being conscious of exploitative middle men!
I pay for spoofie premium because it’s convenient
But I’m not defending this money-grubbing behavior
I know Lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a Spotify alternative with good accessibility, then this is pretty cool:
Music Haptics is a new way for users who are deaf or hard of hearing to experience music on iPhone. With this accessibility feature turned on, the Taptic Engine in iPhone plays taps, textures and refined vibrations to the audio of the music. Music Haptics works across millions of songs in the Apple Music catalogue, and will be available as an API for developers to make music more accessible in their apps.
Oh that’s cool.
Apple Music also has read-along lyrics without any extra cost.
So does YouTube Music.
This is actually really cool. And now I wonder if you could use this to produce music specifically designed for haptics only
It’s like we’re circling back to those “extreme bass” CDs from the 90s.
I don’t get it. They are complaning that their limited free plan is limited?
They’re complaining that one of the things the limited free plan takes away is something they were using to accommodate their disability.
They’re complaining that the limited, free-tier plan is worse than it used to be. And really, for no good reason.
When EA releases Star Wars 2: A Sense Of Pride And Accomplishment, we complain about how stupid that is, do we not?
for no good reason
Hosting costs a lot of money
And they run ads. The free-tier is not actually free, you know.
The 1 or 2 kB of lyrics are a few orders of magnitude smaller than the song being streamed.
The album art probably takes up more space than the lyrics.
So, album art should also be a paid feature?Album art would make way more sense as a paid feature than lyrics, considering it’s a largely cosmetic improvement.
How does it make more sense that “cosmetic” features are in the paid-tier? Would it not be the other way around?
Because it improves the experience, but isn’t vital to it. If you want the free tier to be accessible to everyone, limiting things like lyrics that people like OP use as a disability accommodation isn’t the way to do it.
The whole point with features being paid for is that they incentivize you to pay. There is no universal right to have a free tier or certain features for free.
It just makes sense to lock features that users enjoy to incentives them to pay.
Another good day to go self hosted.
I agree, but unfortunately, there’s probably not a good self hosted solution to this specific problem.
I use musicbrainz for music tagging, which is an excellent source for all metadata except lyrics. For better or worse, the only decent sources of lyrics seems to be genius and musixmatch, and neither integrate well with tagging tools like musicbrainz Picard.
If anyone else has found an easier way to do this, I would love to hear it.
I’m not sure if the application is safe. It may be malicious. Proceed at your own risk.
I saw a GitHub project called 163MusicLyrics that’s sources the information from Chinese sources (NetEase and QQ).
The entire software is in Chinese, but the results looked really accurate from the sandbox I ran. It’s even actively developed with v6.2 releasing least week. But again, I don’t know if it’s safe.
I’m not good at code but it looks like it’s OSS, so you could verify the code yourself or reverse engineer something with the API calls they use?
Let me know if you come across something though. I’m also looking for a way to get LRC files easily.
EDIT: Also for self hosting, I use Jellyfin with Symfonium, and Tailscale. It works great for me and has been relatively low maintenance.
When listening locally on my computer I use foobar2000 and the OpenLyrics component - but yeah, it falls short sometimes unfortunately. I’ve written myself some scrapers that crawl some sites, but that still requires a bit of manual intervention. I’m still looking for a self-hosted app that can help with tags though, and more in a manual manner; I don’t really like a script assuming that this album is this specific release when it might not be.
Besides, some files have the lyrics already in the tags - often the case when buying/downloading for free from Bandcamp.
Spotify’s lyrics are also shitty, and often out of sync.
I personally don’t really care about synced lyrics. Mine are unsynced for the most part.
I didn’t even know they did that, Glad I don’t have an account with them. I’m partially deaf, most music I can’t understand what someone singing. Those fun things people do of like “most common misheard lyrics” is basically my life. On the plus side I enjoy music from around the world because unintelligible music is unintelligible no matter where it’s from. They’re very few artists I feel like I can understand, and realistically I’m probably wrong.
In real life, I read lips to help augment my terrible hearing. Fun fact during the mask man dates during COVID, was probably the worst time for me. A lot of people I could hear talking as I could hear noise but I could not make out what it was. Leading to a lot of awkward conversations.
Anyhoo, that’s all to say that for music that I do like I do have to see the lyrics. It’s what converts the noise into words.
So, fuck you Spotify, My life’s difficult enough already, I’m not paying your shitty service so you can charge me for my impairment.
most music I can’t understand what someone singing
Just like the rest of us, tbh.
Wit-ta burrdsahl sheardis-a loooooneleeeevieuuuuuuuuuuaaaand
-Red Hot Chilli Peppers
With the birds I share this lonely view?
Should have used Pearl Jam as the example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdOtR2A5agc
– How rap sounds to non-English speakers
Everyone is going on about this as anti disability, but why does a disability entitle you to a service that’s paid?
Unpaid Spotify sucks, full stop, no matter what part of you works or doesn’t.
I would say, it because the lyrics aren’t something Spotify made. No one’s picking up Spotify because only Spotify has lyrics. Spotify isn’t writing the songs. Regardless of what someone might think of Spotify or Spotify free, it’s withholding something that they have that they didn’t make from people that perhaps need it. It’d be like if broadcast TV or any on demand video service (YouTube, Disney, Netflix, etc.), said hey you didn’t pay no more closed captions for you (where a free version is applicable, of course).
If Spotify wants to put stuff behind a paywall it can be features of the platform.
My personal opinion is Spotify sucks, full stop. The CEO is a real piece of work. This just goes on the pile of reason Spotify sucks.
but why does a disability entitle you to a service that’s paid?
why would you limit the ability to use lyrics though? It’s the same shit that every big article tabloid is doing “pay us five dollar a month and we will show you our articles, that we think are good” after showing you like three, in four months for free.
Either give people access to the service, or don’t, don’t play the bullshit of “well actually, here’s a free sample”
Same reason any tech company limit the ability to do anything - bandwidth, ownership etc.
Even if ‘lyrics’ are free, they still need to be written and proof read. You’re either going to have to pay other companies to provide you the lyrics or pay your staff to write them down.
There’s so many levels to this, Spotify still sucks, but you have to look at it realistically .
yeah but that still begs the question of why even give limited access. Just put it behind the paywall, it’s not like people don’t understand what spotify is, and it gives them a better excuse for selling a service anyway.
They’re lyrics, intentionally making the service worse for people with hearing disabilities is ableist.
Isn’t the entire world ableist?
I’ll take youtube music revanced. Installed more than a year ago, never updated since then. Logged in with Google account and still works fine.
Can you tell me what that is?
YouTube Music Premium for free. Make sure you go to https://revanced.app and not any other site, because the rest are fakes.
(FYI you have to compile it yourself but just follow the instructions. It’s really easy.)
Thank you!
A cracked version of the YouTube music premium app. There is also a normal YouTube revanced app, but that one doesn’t work that good anymore for me.
I never used Spotify, the whole thing seem stupid
Coming from the age of ipods and piracy, Spotify was a great alternative to that and reasonably priced for the usage you could get out of it. These days is harder to justify
Meh 6 people, almost every song we could want for less than 20 bucks is ideal.
That said I am gearing up to change streamer just because they annoy me with UI changes, forcing originals, pushing gigs despite disabling that function…and the longest running gripe of all: let me disable censored songs you cunts. I never want the clean version.
This is just some nerd looking to be angry.
Maybe, but spotify is an actual scam so fuck them
I’ve used Pandora for years. Granted, they don’t have all of the features of Spotify. But, I think their algorithm is better and my price has never changed.
Just use YouTube Music ReVanced. Every premium feature you need, ad-free, $0/mo.
