• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    four years of Trump vs. four years of Biden should really have put to rest the idea that both parties are the same

    Biden isn’t on Twitter, so we can ignore the wars and the concentration camps and the Cop Cities and the deteriorating climate.

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      He picks different supreme court justices though and has some different head of agencies, though. That alone makes a big difference.

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        Dems had the opportunity to stop up the ACB nomination in 2020 the same way Repubs blocked Garland in 2016. In fact, it would have been easier. Feinstein only had to hold up the vote for three months compared to McConnell’s twelve. Dems waved her through, the same way Joe Biden’s Judiciary Committee waved through Clarence Thomas back in 1991, months before Bill Clinton took office.

        Its not enough to say which Presidents are picking the nominees. The senatorial strategies are totally different. Republicans hold Dem nominees hostage while Dems rubber stamp whatever assholes the GOP cough up.

        Had Dem Senators punted on Thomas and ACB when they had the opportunity, the SCOTUS of today would look totally different.

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      6 months ago

      Since I didn’t get a response from the other person, perhaps you could explain why Judge Jackson is the sort of SCOTUS justice Trump would have picked.

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        That’s pretty strawman of you. Assuming he’s operating in bad faith; how does appointing Judge Jackson stop the ratchet effect? That’s what we’re talking about here. I happen to think he’s operating in good faith, just to his donors instead of his constituency. But the effect is the same, holding the status quo that the GOP sets. Why hasn’t Mayorkas purged ICE in an attempt to reform it? Where are the wide ranging investigations of the human rights abuses that were so well reported during the Trump administration? Biden’s goal was never to bring things back in line, it was to keep the lights on and keep the money flowing to the donors. Some of whom run private detention centers.

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          6 months ago

          No, we were talking about how the two parties are exactly the same. If they are exactly the same, Trump would have the same reason for picking justice Jackson as Biden. So what is that reason?

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            6 months ago

            I understand that’s your straw man. But that’s not what the other people in this thread are saying.

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              That is not my straw man, that is exactly the order of the conversation. I was told both parties are the same, I asked if that was true, what Trump’s reason for picking Jackson would be.

              No one has come up with an answer.

              But one person has tried to argue with me in this thread that Harriet Miers was a feminist and sent me to some Christian website to prove it, so that was amusing.

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          What does any of that have to do with Judge Jackson? Just explain why Judge Jackson is the sort of SCOTUS justice Trump would have picked since both parties are the same.

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            What does any of that have to do with Judge Jackson?

            We would have more Judge Jacksons on the court if the Dem Senate had played hardball with Republican Presidents. And taking Thomas out of circulation in 1991 would have changed the Bush v Gore decision in 2000, which would have meant President Al Gore seating even more Judge Jacksons in his subsequent terms.

            No Thomas means no Bush Jr. No Bush Jr means no gerrymandering greenlit by Ashcroft’s DOJ. Which would have promised more state level liberal courts in places like Texas and Wisconsin (ie, more state court Judge Jacksons). Which would have curbed the rise of white nationalism following Obama’s election in 2008. No GOP capture of Florida through mass disenfranchisement of black voters. No extended legacy of GOP rule in Georgia, for the same reasons. No War on Immigration in Arizona and Colorado and Texas, forcing those states farther and farther to the right. All of which would have precluded a Trump presidency in 2016.

            No Trump means we don’t have to worry about who he’d pick for SCOTUS.

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              That is still not an explanation for why judge Jackson would be the sort of SCOTUS judge Trump would pick if both parties are the same.

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                  I didn’t ask for that explanation.

                  If you aren’t able to explain why Trump would pick a justice like Jackson when both parties are the same, just say so.

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                    I didn’t ask for that explanation.

                    Because you don’t want Joe Biden carrying any culpability for the current 6-3 Conservative Majority.

                    We’ve got multiple Republican SCOTUS nominees who took office on his watch. We know what that leads to, because we know the outcome of Bush v Gore. We know what eight years of Bush did to the country and how it led directly to the election of Trump.

                    So why would four more years of Biden - a man who gave us the courts that gave us Bush and Trump - produce a majority of Judge Jacksons? He appears far better at seating judges like Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito.