Dozens of people have been killed or injured in a blast at a refugee camp in the Rafah area, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza has said.
The rocket barrage highlights the threat Hamas still poses to people across Israel, although there were no reports of injuries.
No reports of injuries in Israel and dozens of Palestinians injured or dead in Rafah, but Hamas is still the ‘big threat’.
Really getting sick of this bs reporting.
It’s because they are desperately trying to frame this as Israel responding to a terrorist attack rather than Israel openly defying the International court of justice order to stop bombing civilians.
Israel is openly committing genocide while actively trying to frame this as defense of their borders, which could have worked as a strategy had not everything they have stated and said been proven absolute lies, to the point where they got their feelings hurt and had to openly assasinate journalists so that what they say can no longer be shown to be lies.
They are trying to discredit the casualities numbers by saying it’s coming from hamas run health ministry while the world health organization said that there is no reason to doubt the numbers
*No reason to doubt the numbers
What I have heard is that Palestinians are incredibly good at taking notes / data and statistics. They have record keepers in the hospitals whose entire jobs are counting the casualties and dead. That’s where the numbers that are exact to a single casualty come from.
Why are they firing rockets?
People invaded their country and killed their families.
Are you talking about Hamas or Israel? I thought they were firing rockets because they didn’t want to give up their hostages
Netanyahu paid a leader of Hamas who convinced some ignorant hate filled Palestinians to do it to justify shooting bombs at defenseless women and children in a refugee camp
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Israel suffered no injuries or casualties as the rockets were shot down or fell into fields.
So Israel’s response was overkill, which is par for the course.
In my country we have a law that self defense has to be proportional and you are only allowed to use enough force to stop the attack.
It can’t be like “the guy down the street threw a rock through my window so I go and kill his whole family in their beds”.
Proportionality is international law: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-51
Gotta love this thinking here.
So tell me, should the US have stopped attacking Japan once they’d matched the ~2.4k soldiers killed at Pearl Harbor?
Or should the allies have stopped “genociding” Nazi Germany once they’d matched Hitler’s body count?
OF COURSE NOT. This isn’t about tit for tat. Especially when going after an enemy that is openly committee to your annihilation. Israel certainly appears to be doing a shit job of it, but there is no need to muddy the waters with specious arguments.
You’re mixing up things. Proportionality is a specific thing about scale. It doesn’t say you’re not allowed to respond to failed attacks.
You can for example evaluate the likely future harm your enemy would cause if you don’t stop them and then apply the proportionality principle to that when you try to stop them. Or evaluate likely harm if somebody else attempted and succeeded with an attack you just stopped, and decide what kind of deterrence is needed based on that.
And Israel isn’t just doing a shit job of it. they’re not doing it at all
That’s great and all. I’m sure that works at the individual level. When your country enters an active war none of that matters, does it? So why bring it up?
Of course it matters! If your enemy kills 3 innocent people on your side and you retaliate by killing a million people on their side, it matters a whole fucking lot.
Hamas is bad. Very few people will dispute that. Israel has proven that, at this point in time, it is far worse because it kills far more innocent people.
Discourse on Lemmy is so stupid. It’s so stupid. Like Facebook boomer stupid.
Is the IDF counter-attack proportional or is it excessive compared to what Hamas is doing? I would say it’s absolutely excessive. How is that excess justified? I would urge you guys to put more thought into any of this discourse beyond “genocide; colonialism; apartheid; imperialism”. Please, for the love of god. Try. When you use cheap logic, all you do is give more fodder to IDF --and I’m not a fan of IDF.
If I take your claim and analyze it logically it’s not sound at all. The typical numbers game to counter whether the occupation is justified: More civilians dead = IDF bad. Pause. Think about this statement for a second. Do we measure justification for war based on the number of casualties incurred? When the allies bombed Dresden, did we find reason to defeat the Nazis even though many civilian casualties occurred? Yes, a calculated risk was made.
The question is: What ought the IDF do in this scenario with Hamas perpetually shelling them with rockets by planting themselves in civilian areas?
Sorry… you’re comparing what Israel is doing right now to what allies did to a city in the country that was itself perpetrating the genocide? A country that was also itself invading Allied nations?
Is this opposite day or something?
Nop. I’m contesting your logic. Not comparing the countries. We are examining whether your logic holds up to scrutiny.
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Israelis. Not Jews. I am a Jew. The IDF is not defending my homeland. Do not call us all Israelis, that’s bigoted.
From what, exactly? Refugees trying to survive after Israel blew up their homes? That’s who was in the camp Israel blew up.
Not sure why the BBZ feels the need to mention the rocket strike launched elsewhere in Rafah. Must hope their readers are stupid enough to believe Rafah the place with >1 million refugees is just a small tent camp.
They are calling it a precision attack, precision intelligence, and also a mistake that will be investigated. Seems like a precision mistake to me
The Israeli military said it struck a Hamas compound with "precise ammunition and on the basis of precise intelligence
The Israeli military said
Stopped reading after that
I was just sharing their statesmen of it being a precision attack and precise intelligence, and then Bibi changing it to be a tragic mistake
You’re right it was a precision mistake.
The most moral but least capable army in the world had struck again.
Yeah at this point I just don’t believe anything they say anymore.
