"Along with the very real and violent war on the ground – there is also a fierce information war. Like Tuesday’s explosion at the Gaza hospital which Hamas says killed hundreds of people.

Israel says it was a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket, which they deny. Hamas says it was an Israeli airstrike, which they deny.

But tonight Forensic Architecture, Earshot and the Ramallah based NGO Al Haq have shared new information with Channel 4 News they say casts doubt on some aspects of Israel’s account."

The evidence is presented in the video

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    11 months ago

    So what do you suggest? Let’s assume the Israeli government stops the retaliation right now (as they should). What’s next? Who do they talk to? The rest of the Arab world doesn’t want to have anything to do with the Palestinians, except, of course, those who want to use them as pawns to attack the Jews by proxy.

    Israel and the west have tried to solve this situation since the creation of the state. It’s been sabotaged every time. If course the Israeli right has done some horrible things as well. But that’s not the reason they’re being attacked. Even if they didn’t do any of those things, the Islamic terrorists would still be killing them at every opportunity.

    I don’t know what the solution is. But let’s not be naive.

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      11 months ago

      Have you thought that Hamas is in power because of Israelis policies. If they weren’t so oppressed or lived in such terrible conditions, they would have maybe never voted for Hamas.

      Same with the Nazi party, they only get into power after the Versailles treaty.

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          11 months ago

          A piece of advice, open Wikipedia and educate yourself and stop listening to your country’s propaganda.

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          11 months ago

          This question is disingenuous. It’s just like an abusive boyfriend saying “why do you keep making me hit you?”

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      I’ve posted elsewhere, but you just have to look at the anti-apartheid roadmaps other countries have followed. There’s a choice here, either an independent Palestine, or an integrated Israel. Maybe change the country name. Those are the only viable options. You have to choose one, and then make all of the hard road choices along that path.

      You can’t point to the history and say it didn’t work, people, especially indigenous people, are very reluctant to say yes everything up to now has been okay please give us some freedom today. They just don’t do that that’s not human nature. An individual might do that to get the torture to stop, but you’re never going to get a political leader to agree to it and even if you do, there’s still going to be discontent among the population.

      So the summarie: Economic integration, political integration, no second class citizens, everyone has to see a brighter future, you’ve got to give opportunities to the young male population which is the recruitment bed for extremists.

      Independence or integration, both roadmaps need to hit the same points. You can’t have a massively resource-starved population looking at a massively resource Rich population and expect content and peace.