• lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      23·
      6 months ago

      This same idea was posted with this same meme template within the past day, right? I’m not having deja vu? I can’t find it anywhere.

        • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          135·
          6 months ago

          Yeah it wasn’t really political so it was taken down. Spruced it up and reposted here. 👍

  • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
    493·
    6 months ago

    Kids these days and their AI accusations. Back in my day, we assumed people who disagreed with us were uninformed, stupid, or evil.

    • cmbabul@lemmy.world
      3·
      6 months ago

      I’ve always found that rhetoric hilarious because I’d say 95% of the users I block for being shitty are from sh.itjust.works

      • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
        193·
        6 months ago

        That’s the joke lol.

        So many comments complaining about .ml users with no .ml users in sight

        • el_abuelo@lemmy.ml
          143·
          6 months ago

          Ah right over my head haha…I usually get people calling me a tankie or socialist or fascist or whatever I lose track…im just your run of the mill European lefty in reality.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
            83·
            6 months ago

            Lives in Europe.

            Is Left.

            Leftism is socialism.

            Socialism in Europe? More like National Socialism.

            all .ml users are Nazi fascist tankies confirmed.

          • Wrench@lemmy.world
            42·
            6 months ago

            There were a couple years in my teens when I generally wore all black clothes. I was not a goth, even if I was passingly friendly with a few goths.

            Many assumed I was a goth, and it never bothered me to correct them. It was a completely understandable assumption to make.

            You may not be a goth, but you certainly look like one at a glance.

            • el_abuelo@lemmy.ml
              3·
              6 months ago

              You know this is a really good analogy, thank you for that perspective.

              I guess if it really bothered me, I would just change instance - and I still might, as the association bothers me enough to have mentioned it unprompted.

              With that said - the only time someone uses it is when they have nothing else to say, which is a small victory in itself given I doubt I ever say anything that actually justifies the aspersion.

  • joenforcer@midwest.social
    5219·
    6 months ago

    Don’t normalize this shit.

    Opposing viewpoints are fine. Disingenuous viewpoints that conveniently show the egregious fallacies of that viewpoint and ignore them when pointed out deserve all the criticism they get.

    And we know what one specific viewpoint we’re talking about. Lemmy is so deeply infested with it now with the exact same bend that it’s a disgustingly obvious disinformation campaign and voter suppression tactic.

    Again, don’t normalize this shit.

    • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      207·
      6 months ago

      And we know what one specific viewpoint we’re talking about. Lemmy is so deeply infested with it now with the exact same bend that it’s a disgustingly obvious disinformation campaign and voter suppression tactic.

      You’re doing the thing in the meme

    • Katrisia@lemm.ee
      132·
      6 months ago

      And we know what one specific viewpoint we’re talking about.

      Dang it! I’m always out of the loop.

      • VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
        8·
        6 months ago

        As am I. I’m a bit curious as to which viewpoint they’re discussing.

        I don’t think it’s bad for people to be somewhat suspicious of bots/misinformation campaigns that occur online. We do know they occur.

        That said, I believe we should still try to communicate on the various media platforms in the event that there is in fact a human behind the screen.

            • nomous@lemmy.world
              22·
              6 months ago

              Old people’s vote is vastly more difficult to suppress. Old people go vote, the youth though? Just tell them shits fucked and their vote doesnt matter and they eagerly give up and sit home.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
        72·
        6 months ago

        They are either lying or deeply overexposed to only one portion of the platform lol. While a lot of it has to do with US electoral stuff, that is far from the only context I have seen bot accusations thrown around. Seen it on some gaming-related communities, some vegan places for some reason? It might be fair to say the mindset stems from the anger of the political subs but that’s just a guess. (:

    • Juice@midwest.social
      112·
      6 months ago

      Mfs never heard the word epistemology.

      Sorry I legit don’t know who you are talking about

    • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      6 months ago

      The other important point to make:

      It’s normal to view wild ideas like troves of automated users with some skepticism. But consider: Foreign entities would likely have a huge incentive to destabilize domestic elections. If you were them, and had plenty of spare personnel, and A.I. resources…what would you do?

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
        129·
        6 months ago

        If I were Russia or China and I had the ability to influence US elections, I would try to stabilize the country. I’d want someone predictable who I can negotiate with and reasonably expect to have agreements last more than 4 years. This is what Putin said to Tucker, by the way, explaining why he’d prefer Biden over Trump, so that he can negotiate a lasting treaty. China, with all its economic ties to the US, would likely feel the same (though with all of Biden’s jingoism and saber-rattling, I don’t know that there’s much difference from that perspective).

        Geopolitics is not a zero-sum game, and the world is more complex than moustache-twirling cartoon villains. Destabilizing the US means the most militarized country in the world acting completely unpredictably and lashing out randomly to distract from problems at home.

        Also, like, it’s easy to make a bot but it’s harder to make a bot that actually sounds like a human being and is able to make coherent arguments. Throwing around accusations based purely on a person’s stance, even when the format isn’t bot-like at all, is pure paranoia. It’s just a way to categorically dismiss everything you disagree with without consideration.

        Also also, what about the US intelligence community? Surely they’d have both means and motive to influence political discussions, moreso on both than foreign governments. Why aren’t you concerned about that? Or what about the possibility of corporations hiring people to say stuff? Wouldn’t it be way easier for entities that are based on America who could hire Americans directly?

        It’s really a nonsense belief that falls apart under scrutiny. But what it really is is a symbolic belief. It’s obviously not true but by saying it you can performatively demonstrate your loyalty to the US government and hatred of the Other. There’s no evidence for it and it’s unfalsifiable.

        • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
          95·
          6 months ago

          Russia already interfered with the 2016 election, so they disagree with you.

          AI doesn’t have to be used as an autoprompter. Paid workers can still review their output or use them for prompting.

          If I were Chinese, I might suspect the US intelligence committee enacting foreign influence. But locally, they want functioning government so they get paid.

          Also, besides the over-the-top insults, note this guy’s account is new.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
            74·
            6 months ago

            Russia already interfered with the 2016 election

            Unless you’ve got evidence that James Comey works for the FSB, I’m not sure how this miniscule ad buy sank Hillary ten points in the polls from October.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
            97·
            6 months ago

            Russia already interfered with the 2016 election, so they disagree with you.

            Well, you asked what I would do. I don’t think it’s rational for Russia to destabilize the US right now which is consistent with Putin’s current stated position. Of course he could easily be lying, and he did support Trump in the past. It’s possible that he’s consistently pro-Trump, but it’s also possible that his priorities changed based on changing circumstances, or that his perception of Trump changed after seeing him in office. It’s impossible to know what’s going on in his head, but it is possible to speculate based on what would benefit him and what he’s said.

            AI doesn’t have to be used as an autoprompter. Paid workers can still review their output or use them for prompting.

            Convenient! That means that you can accuse anyone you disagree with of being a bot, regardless of evidence! I imagine that’s much easier than engaging with conflicting ideas.

            But locally, they want functioning government so they get paid.

            A government doesn’t have to be particularly well-functioning in order to afford to pay it’s spies. Unless we’re talking about total collapse and balkanization of the US, they’re still getting paid. In the meantime, they’re free to persue whatever agenda they want with no oversight, and even when they do get caught, not only are they not punished or stopped, but whoever exposed the crime becomes an enemy of the state and is hunted to the ends of the earth.

            Also, besides the over-the-top insults, note this guy’s account is new.

            My cashier at the grocery store was wearing reflective glasses (clearly this means they’re a lizard person hiding their slit pupils), my barber asked me how my day was going (clearly he’s an FBI agent collecting data about my life) and a person I disagreed with online had a new account (clearly a paid agent of a foreign government).

            Tell me, how long have you had these sorts of beliefs?

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
      158·
      6 months ago

      People disagree with me Lemmy is deeply infested!!!

      You would enjoy reddit.com a lot more than this place. How about some r/worldnews?

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      77·
      6 months ago

      Disingenuous viewpoints that conveniently show the egregious fallacies of that viewpoint and ignore them when pointed out deserve all the criticism they get.

      Nice try, Russia. But I’m not falling for it.

      And we know what one specific viewpoint we’re talking about.

      turns to the camera conspiratorially

      Big wink

      Giant thumb pointed at Joe Biden

      Large okay symbol with other hand

      Thumbs up with penis

  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
    354·
    6 months ago

    I can’t blame people for thinking others are bots, especially when they make cookie cutter comments identical to so many others in nature and content. We live in a world where people have invented bots which mimic human writing to a degree of accuracy most cannot tell apart from real humans. Some of us are bots, get used to it.

    • kernelle@lemmy.world
      131·
      6 months ago

      I definitely get why, but people have been paranoid of interacting with bots, shills or astroturfers for as long as the internet exists. Calling someone either of these without asking to elaborate on their comment is just adding to the polarisation and intolerance of our platforms.

      Often when I try to talk to people with wildly different opinions they just come back with those insults because “who can ever disagree with my opinion? They must be trolling.”

      So I definitely blame people for jumping to the wrong conclusions.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
        93·
        6 months ago

        Yes there needs that be at least a little blame lmao. Cuz the corollary of “everyone that isn’t agreeing with me is [bot, troll, shill]” is that everyone that isn’t agreeing with you may be rightfully treated with spite and abuse.

        Which is generally… not good.

    • ekZepp@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      Man, this is the best bot genetated comment i’ve read in a while. Which software did they use?

      • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
        41·
        6 months ago

        That’s call Simulation Theory. It unfortunately isn’t useful as a theory because the nature of your existence compared to one that is more or less real doesn’t have any impact on subjective value of reality or have any effect on decision-making.

    • Katrisia@lemm.ee
      3·
      6 months ago

      So… is our broken non-native English an advantage now (because one can tell we are real people)? Nice.

    • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
      52·
      6 months ago

      You make a valid point about the increasing difficulty in distinguishing between human and bot-generated content. The rise of sophisticated AI has indeed blurred these lines. However, it’s important to remember that not all similar or “cookie cutter” comments are the work of bots. Human behavior, especially online, often tends to follow patterns and trends, leading to similar expressions of opinion or emotion.

      While it’s wise to remain cautious and aware of the presence of bots, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions too quickly. Engaging thoughtfully and asking questions can help clarify whether we’re interacting with a person or a bot. Ultimately, fostering genuine connections and critical thinking are key in navigating this digital landscape.

      • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
        23·
        6 months ago

        TBH I don’t know if the risks of being an incorrect independently thinking human outweighs the risks of being manipulated by bots. Skepticism seems better of the available options. Sorry if that hurts some people’s feelings, but this is the internet.

            • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
              31·
              6 months ago

              I was gonna reveal the jig if you kept going for one more comment without calling it. Didn’t want to yank your chain too much.

              Though I do think I agree with what ChatGPT said, if I interpreted it correctly. I was kinda skimming.

              • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
                1·
                6 months ago

                Nobody cares mate. What you posted is your opinion, flawed logic and all. Maybe if you wrote your own comment it might not have been so shit.

        • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
          22·
          6 months ago

          I get where you’re coming from—skepticism is a reasonable stance given the circumstances. The risk of being misled by bots is real, and it’s crucial to approach online interactions with a critical eye. However, it’s also important to balance skepticism with an openness to genuine human engagement.

          While the internet can be a wild place, fostering a bit of trust and empathy can lead to more meaningful conversations and connections. We can stay cautious without becoming completely cynical. By asking questions and seeking deeper engagement, we can often tell apart genuine interactions from automated ones, while still maintaining our critical thinking skills.

  • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
    251·
    6 months ago

    Don’t forget to block them so that you never hear an opposing view again!

  • ekZepp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    289·
    6 months ago

    Honestly I don’t see all this hade and intolerance here on lemmy.world and i’ve been around since last year. Can you give me some context?

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      283·
      6 months ago

      Actual context because the other comment (e: the prettybunnys one) is clearly showing some bias:

      [email protected] is constantly in turmoil against itself regarding some US electoral stuff. About once per thread (no joke) an argument gets to a point where one person accuses the other of not being human because they just can’t fathom how different their positions are. This also spreads to other communities but I generally find !politicalmemes to be the primary source. (e: This also is common on .ml communities unless I am mistaken. I just am not exposed to that much since my instance does not federate with .ml.)

      (Disclaimer: while funny, don’t do this kind of attack without real evidence; it’s generally frowned on by mods as uncivil.)

        • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          112·
          6 months ago

          Truly. Especially on platforms where we can’t see each other’s faces to remind each other we exist and might or might not have had coffee this morning.

          Not denying there are bots on here of course, there definitely are, just quite a few less than the average edgy political swearing session would lead you to believe.

      • SeveralAnts@lemmy.world
        51·
        6 months ago

        Really? That is kind of pleasing to hear to be honest. I only ever encountered echochamber comments any of the times I went on any political thread here, one sided anchoring and confirmation bias, so I stopped. I’m kind of happy to hear that there are multiple perspectives being discussed at all. Neat.

    • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
      1612·
      6 months ago

      Context:

      People with overt bias and deliberate messaging are being called out for it.

      Those people make posts like this.

      • proper@lemmy.world
        41·
        6 months ago

        had to scroll quite a bit to find this perspective. I’m on politics all the time, there really are a handful of “bad actors” who follow a clear agenda. yet I’ve never seen this “ur bot” response just thrown around haphazardly, rather directed at that very same handful of disingenuous propaganda posters.

  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    141·
    6 months ago

    there is only one opinion, all of the other opinions about everything else are wrong. Only this one is correct.

    Don’t worry, i won’t tell you what opinion i’m talking about, because that would be another opinion, and it would be wrong, on account of the other one being the only correct one.