I love this trend, because anybody who provides a serious answer whatsoever has already fallen for its trap. It’s such an absolutely absurd scenario that’s just specific enough to be divisive, and just vague enough that you can fill in the gaps with any preconceived notions of your own. It’s impossible to provide any answer in which you can’t be made to look like a clown, because every answer comes with baked-in counter arguments to it. Any answer you provide makes you look either heartless or clueless.
It almost makes me appreciate rage-bait as an art form.
Or, you know, just listen to women… Revolutionary, I know, and seemingly impossible to some, but that’s literally all you need to do to not be “trapped” (magically managing to claim victimhood where there is none, as per usual), instead of outing yourself, just like OP suggests… ¯\(ツ)/¯
I thought the victim was the bear, he doesn’t want some random ass woman bothering him shitting in the forest.
If you treat every person you meet as a predator, eventually you will only be left with those who are. The rest will just leave you to your own business and only the predators will pursue, yes?
Just curious, no to what? I am not challenging the idea of the thought experiment or the visceral fear that some people have toward a man vs a wild animal, just seems odd to me downplay one side and increase the risk of the other. In this thought experiment where we are using a meek bear, does it change if we use a polar bear. Does it change using a mountain lion or lion? A leapord? A rabid dog?
Would you say the same if the argument was about the inherent danger of black men? If a bunch of white women were online saying black men are dangerous we wouldn’t say that black men calling it out were “magically claiming false victimhood” we’d say those women’s fears, even if they are truly felt, are a product of prejudice and unfair and they’re spreading of these ideas is damaging.
… But no one is being thrown into the woods with a random stranger or a bear. Like the original question this is a hypothetical meant to prove a point. The original point seems to be “the average man is dangerous” , this is meant to show that point can be prejudiced/sexist. It’s meant to show that the argument that some people are saying they’re afraid of a group therefore we must validate that fear can lead to some bad places and shouldn’t be used. This argument is at the core of what the comment I replied to.
You seriously think women are equally afraid of white men as they are of black men, or Muslim men, or immigrant men?
The answer is no. Which is why right wing groups astroturfed this meme in the first place - to otherize minority groups and increase xenophobic policies. All under the name of protecting women/feminism
Which is what always happens - we need to protect our virginal women from the foreign hordes. Fascism has a pretty simple playbook
I’m pretty sure every woman I regularly interact with has realized that white men are scarier than men of color, by and large. Have you been paying attention for the last 8 years?
Have you been paying attention for the last 8 years?
To all the men of color who keep getting disproportionately murdered and seen as superpredators? To all the white women who cross the street everytime they see a black man? To all the white mothers who refuse to send their kids to the public school because it’s too “”“dangerous”“”?
I love this trend, because anybody who provides a serious answer whatsoever has already fallen for its trap. It’s such an absolutely absurd scenario that’s just specific enough to be divisive, and just vague enough that you can fill in the gaps with any preconceived notions of your own. It’s impossible to provide any answer in which you can’t be made to look like a clown, because every answer comes with baked-in counter arguments to it. Any answer you provide makes you look either heartless or clueless.
It almost makes me appreciate rage-bait as an art form.
Bill Burr’s commentary on the issue
Or, you know, just listen to women… Revolutionary, I know, and seemingly impossible to some, but that’s literally all you need to do to not be “trapped” (magically managing to claim victimhood where there is none, as per usual), instead of outing yourself, just like OP suggests… ¯\(ツ)/¯
I thought the victim was the bear, he doesn’t want some random ass woman bothering him shitting in the forest.
If you treat every person you meet as a predator, eventually you will only be left with those who are. The rest will just leave you to your own business and only the predators will pursue, yes?
No
Just curious, no to what? I am not challenging the idea of the thought experiment or the visceral fear that some people have toward a man vs a wild animal, just seems odd to me downplay one side and increase the risk of the other. In this thought experiment where we are using a meek bear, does it change if we use a polar bear. Does it change using a mountain lion or lion? A leapord? A rabid dog?
Would you say the same if the argument was about the inherent danger of black men? If a bunch of white women were online saying black men are dangerous we wouldn’t say that black men calling it out were “magically claiming false victimhood” we’d say those women’s fears, even if they are truly felt, are a product of prejudice and unfair and they’re spreading of these ideas is damaging.
…but no one is making this racist except those trying to cause arguments, and those who don’t understand what women are saying.
Yes, if someone said something racist and meant it, they’d be a racist. Women are not doing that.
So, being sexist is ok, but being racist isn’t. Got it.
… But no one is being thrown into the woods with a random stranger or a bear. Like the original question this is a hypothetical meant to prove a point. The original point seems to be “the average man is dangerous” , this is meant to show that point can be prejudiced/sexist. It’s meant to show that the argument that some people are saying they’re afraid of a group therefore we must validate that fear can lead to some bad places and shouldn’t be used. This argument is at the core of what the comment I replied to.
No, women are just being sexist
You seriously think women are equally afraid of white men as they are of black men, or Muslim men, or immigrant men?
The answer is no. Which is why right wing groups astroturfed this meme in the first place - to otherize minority groups and increase xenophobic policies. All under the name of protecting women/feminism
Which is what always happens - we need to protect our virginal women from the foreign hordes. Fascism has a pretty simple playbook
I’m pretty sure every woman I regularly interact with has realized that white men are scarier than men of color, by and large. Have you been paying attention for the last 8 years?
To all the men of color who keep getting disproportionately murdered and seen as superpredators? To all the white women who cross the street everytime they see a black man? To all the white mothers who refuse to send their kids to the public school because it’s too “”“dangerous”“”?
Yes I have noticed that.
“Would you rather encounter a bear or a (black or muslim) man” is a good way to produce different results