• MissJinx@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      you knoe there isn’t only 2 choices right? Thay can both have good and bad sides. Maybe try some mix of it fisrt

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        we tried that before though, improving things temporarily, but it will never be permanent until we extinguish the owner class.

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          7 months ago

          The trick is not falling for the lie that social democracy is meeting socialism in the middle.

          Social Democracy is just liberalism with enlightened self interest. Is it better than other capitalists models?

          Sure. That doesn’t make it the end goal.

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          I think human nature is inherently greedy and selfish, and capitalism is best equipped to use this in a way that benefits society. Workers are motivated to work harder and learn new skills to find the most rewarding job they can. Businesses are motivated to create products and run as efficiently as possible. Consumers are motivated to get as much value as the can out of their money. Everyone in the equation is acting selfishly and in their own self-interest (which I believe humans are inclined to do anyway) but when applied on a societal level, everyone benefits. However I will concede that this is a balancing act that requires some level of government regulation to maintain.

          On the other hand, I think communism only works when everyone acts altruistically. Which is noble, but unrealistic.

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            Not going to downvote, but I do think you’re lacking quite a bit of insight into the reasons human society exists at all. Cooperation is the reason human society exists at all, so saying we’re inheritly selfish is kinda laughable in that context.

            I would encourage you to look up information on dialectical Materialism and the necessity of capitalism as a stage in that dialectical.

            Capitalism had a purpose, and it’s past time for us to move on.

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            7 months ago

            Lol, lmao even. Capitalism rewards greed it doesn’t mitigate it. You’ve got it twisted.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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            Even if it was true that human nature was inherently greedy and selfish then it would be an argument for creating systems that discourage such behaviors. What you’re arguing is akin to saying that you should encourage a person struggling with alcoholism to drink more.