• Lvxferre@mander.xyz
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    3 months ago

    On the request itself: based on extracted XNB files, I think that the game currently handles the MC gender in a really, really simple way: pick one text string if the character is male, else pick another string. Adding pronouns sounds like a deceptively large amount of work, and odds are that it would require at least some rework on how the game interprets text strings, in a way that might even affect languages where this is not an issue (like Turkish and Hungarian).

    So if I were in CA’s shoes, I’d probably compromise by letting the player pick a non-binary character, and use “they” for that character; that would affect mostly English, perhaps Mandarin*.

    On the doxxing and harassment: do I need to say that this is fucking awful for those people???

    On CA’s silence: CA is notably silent and non-combative even on things that affect him directly; such as when the Android players were harassing him because of the delayed 1.5 version. Don’t get me wrong, I do think that he should publicly condemn the current events (it’s the morally right thing to do), but this might take a while.


    *among the languages supported by the game, I believe that this is mostly an issue only in Mandarin and English - because neither has grammatical gender, but both have gendered pronouns “hot-wiring” to the social gender. This is certainly not an issue in Hungarian or Turkish (no grammatical gender + gender-agnostic pronouns), and odds are that it isn’t a big deal in Japanese (where people generally drop the pronoun).

    I am not sure on what I’m going to say, but I feel like in the Romance languages and Russian, due to the existence of grammatical gender, there’s an “intuitive” understanding that the word forms that you use do not need to match your gender identity, both are separated things. I’m saying this because both non-binary Portuguese speakers whom I know simply… well, they use the feminine and done? So it’s probably not a big issue. I’d like input from non-binary speakers of those languages though; since I’m not non-binary myself it’s possible that my view is incorrect. Also, if pronouns are added to the game, I’m interested on how it would handle gender agreement.

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    A totally proportional reaction to the request to add a few words to the game…

    However, I still find that the petition exaggerates

    There is a huge problem with the game though. When starting a new farm you are tasked with creating a character, but there are only two gender options to choose from. […] For many trans and non-binary players, the gendered language in the game can feel incredibly disheartening, and invalidating, causing feelings of dysphoria when misgendered while they are playing.

    That’s quite dramatic.

    Anti Commercial-AI license

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        3 months ago

        Apart from the non-binary players, I don’t see a reason why the trans players can’t just play as their chosen gender. The only thing I can think of to break the immersion is having kids, and even then the game doesn’t do much to differentiate adopted vs birth children

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      If you pay attention to a lot of the undertones in Stardew valley it’s clear (IMO) that Concerned Ape is conservative.

      I like the game but I’m always surprised that people think Stardew is a leftist/liberal paradise because it allows same sex relationships.

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          Well for starters it’s completely capitalistic and supports the idea of work = reward. Big business is bad but small business is good.

          But socially, it stereotypes issues and what little different cultures there are.

          There are no Asian people. There is one black character whose first quest is to farm a melon. Seriously.

          The person experiencing homelessness is the noble savage who doesn’t mind not having a home, it’s his choice.

          The alcoholic is saveable and finds the error in their ways.

          The abandoned child gets adopted and it’s a happy ending.

          There’s no crime.

          The teacher is a young white woman.

          The mayor is an old white man.

          The doctor is white man.

          The shop owners are a white man and two white women.

          The blacksmith is white.

          The town failure who lives in a trailer is saved by the player by getting a house which solves their problems. They are also a euphemism for white trash because putting a ghetto in Stardew would have been a bit too on the nose.

          It’s a middle class white person who works in IT idealised society (I.e. concerned apes) where there are simple cause and effect solutions to complex problems. I.e. a conservative ideology.

          I like Stardew as much as the next person but I am not going to be shocked when Concerned Ape rebuffs attempts at him to declare his position on trans issues.

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            I see where you’re coming from, but the experience of playing the game doesn’t present you with this kind of avalanche of dog whistles. I’ll agree that it’s a naive and somewhat 1D take on country living, but I think it actually does a lot of work to be inclusive, and show themes of mutual aid, if not actually advocating for socialism or anarchy.

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              I’ve played the game.

              A lot.

              As I said, I like Stardew but this was always my impression of it.

              If CA wasn’t solely responsible for everything in the game you’d be able to make some concessions about this but this game is (IMO) a reflection of their world view. Consciously or subconsciously they’ve written it into the game.

              Again, it’s fine I don’t mind playing around in one guys idealised society (Demetrius quest line aside), I wish it wasn’t as mono as it is but the game play and lore are still good enough.

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    He doesn’t have to do fuck all. Of all the game developers he doesn’t owe anyone shit. He made an amazing game that was his personal project then continued to support it for years when he didn’t have to and never charged for added content. If you have a problem with the game that bad then find another one. Vote with your wallet. That said fuck the doxxers, everyone involved is just being shitty.

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    I find it wild that people expect the dev to step up. He makes games and it’s unfair to expect him to be/do any more.