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    6 months ago

    My take on any enemies of the US is uncritical support

    So if a third party won the presidency someday, and the US turned against Israel, you’d uncritically support Israel?

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      6 months ago

      If the US stopped being the core of imperialism, of course I’d have to reevaluate.

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        6 months ago

        No, no, if they were still the core of imperialism. I don’t think that’s likely to change any time soon. But if voter sentiment in the US turned so aggressively and permanently against Israel that cutting off military aid to Israel became a huge campaign issue, and then it happened, and Israel went absolutely on a tear of anti-US realignment and made an alliance of survival with the governments of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Or something like that. It’s a lot more plausible than other things that people are talking about, like legalizing weed or abolishing the FBI and DOJ.

        If that happened and the US still had a mostly-unchanged-otherwise foreign policy, would you uncritically support Israel because they’d become an avowed enemy of the US?

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          6 months ago

          Saudi Arabia and Egypt are also US puppets though.

          But yes, I would support the US decolonizing its own puppets.

          The uncritical support is right 99% of the time, there’s been a handful of weird historical flukes where the US accidentally ends up on the right side of history, such as WWII and briefly supporting Rojava against ISIS (which is really a wash, since they created the context that lead to ISIS, then supplied ISIS with trucks and weapons).

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            6 months ago

            But yes, I would support the US decolonizing its own puppets.

            That wasn’t the question.

            Would you uncritically support Israel, if they had a falling out with the US and started criticizing the US? Getting no military funding from us anymore, and getting up at the UN and calling out the US and giving criticism and making friends with countries that were avowed enemies of the US (while still killing Palestinians exactly like at present)?

            I feel like you’re saying you would, but I want to make sure I’m hearing you right.

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              6 months ago

              It gets more complicated when US is on both sides or the same side as one of its enemies; eg, China supplying weapons to US puppets Indonesia and Philippians against their maoist guerillas.

              But yes, in such a world where the US was openly taking action against one of their puppets, I’d have to support it, and be critical of whoever is supporting them.

              It would be one hell of a historical fluke though.

              making friends with countries that were avowed enemies of the US

              They kinda have been, historically, in the late 40s, the USSR sent them some weapons, and more recently, they had warm relations with Russia and China.