• CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
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    1 year ago

    Is it actually? As far as I’m aware, it doesn’t really make any statements that anything is moral or immoral, nor is it a framework that could be used to determine such things by itself, more so a statement on the validity of such things. Or in other word, is it really a moral thesis, or is it a thesis about moral thesis?

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      You could argue that moral relativism is a metaethical thesis and so is not straight away self-defeating. Even so, moral relativists often go on to claim that we shouldn’t judge the moral acts of other cultures based on what we take to be universal moral standards. Because, get this, it would be wrong to do so.

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        1 year ago

        This sounds like Goedels theorem. How could a philosophy be consistent and have an opinion about every moral topic?

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      Yeah I don’t understand the point the meme is trying to make

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    1 year ago

    Well, this one seems to be going over better than your last philosophy meme.

    I appreciated both of them, by the way.

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      1 year ago

      Thanks, I appreciate the sentiment. I’m still going to take a pause on the philosophy memes as I literally can’t stop myself from arguing in the comments and I should be working lol

  • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    That same One Weird Trick has been used to academically shoot down logical positivism as well.

    The idea that only matter exists and that only things that can be measured in a laboratory environment exist in a meaningful way (concepts don’t real) is itself an idea that can not be measured in a laboratory environment.

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      At least the logical positivists where philosophically rigorous enough to drop the view when they realized it’s untenable.

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        1 year ago

        Academically, yes. Logical positivism persisted and had an unofficial resurgence among the “academia is bunk” junk/pop science crowd. I saw it pop up, by name, more than a few times on reddit-logo in years past.

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    I’ve never heard a rational defense of moral relativism that made any sense. If there are no moral truths, then serial killers have done nothing wrong for example. If a moral relativist admits that there are some moral truths, then moral relativism is completely indefensible. At that point, you’re just arguing over what is and what is not a moral truth.

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      1 year ago

      How about the fact that all morals are made up and therefore obviously relative to those who made them up? There may be instinctual preference on many, but that doesn’t make it a universal rule.