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Text in the screenshot from Grammarly says:
We develop data sets to train our algorithms so that we can improve the services we provide to customers like you. We have devoted significant time and resources to developing methods to ensure that these data sets are anonymized and de-identified.
To develop these data sets, we sample snippets of text at random, disassociate them from a user’s account, and then use a variety of different methods to strip the text of identifying information (such as identifiers, contact details, addresses, etc.). Only then do we use the snippets to train our algorithms-and the original text is deleted. In other words, we don’t store any text in a manner that can be associated with your account or used to identify you or anyone else.
We currently offer a feature that permits customers to opt out of this use for Grammarly Business teams of 500 users or more. Please let me know if you might be interested in a license of this size, and I’II forward your request to the corresponding team.
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In case anyone is interested in an alternative, I personally use LanguageTool because it is open source and works very well.
Per their website premium includes “Unlimited sentence paraphrasing powered by A.I.” so I’m not sure they’re an appropriate alternative to avoid the “AI” bullshit.
You can’t avoid the AI “bullshit”. It’s like saying you want to avoid this portable phone craze. It’s a tool.
I can avoid it like I’ve avoided cryptocurrency and NFTs. And it may be a “tool,” but it’s one built on the theft from and unpaid labor of tens of thousands of independent creators, and is nigh wholly controlled by corporate interests bent on eliminating those same independent creators whose data they stole to make their “tools.” It should not exist. Not until it can be made in an ethical manner without harming the creatives necessary to make it.
The whole system is built on exploitation. I don’t see you boycotting luxury clothes, diamond, rare metal that are made by exploiting someone from a third world country to inhuman levels. Ah, yes. It could affect people you know, It’s immoral now. Am tired of this hypocrisy.
I don’t see you That’s true, you don’t. For all you know, they do boycott those things.
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You know nothing at all about me
Don’t call me on my hypocrisy please isn’t a valid point.
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I have. It’s pretty short and to the point. They’re based out of Germany so their requirements for clarity are pretty high by law. They go into quite a lot of detail about what is sent.
In this case they send date, time, language, processing time, number and the type of errors, but not the text itself
However, they do have an optional feature that uses OpenAI to rephrase sentences so that might be training through the back door.
I’ve been using it for years and have been very happy with the service.
Interesting feedback, thanks
Can confirm good drop in replacement. Also self hostable (to a point )
Does that have a chrome plugin?
Yes.
It even have a thunderbird plugin and works in all major editors.
You can self host it as well, which is how the editor plugins work by default.
this is awesome, thanks for sharing
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I appreciate you spreading open source alternatives, but this is one of those things that needs an HR solution; not IT.
what do you mean?
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Yeah Grammarly was selling all your data LONG before the AI showed up.
Funny how some people are only nervous now that their data might be used to train a language model. I was always more worried about spooks! :)
Companies selling consumer data for profit and marketeering: i sleep
Companies using consumer data to train AI models:
R E A L S H I TTrue. Companies sell our data to third parties since forever, but some people are worried about it being used to train machine learning models? I’m far more concerned by people using it than AI.
It’s because certain companies are stirring the pot and manipulating. They want people mad so they can put restrictions on training AI, to stifle the open source scene.
OpenAI moment
They even named their company specifically to make it harder for open source ai to name themselves. Thats some dedication.
I see you posted this article to 4 communities. According to this comment if you use the cross post function, it will only show once in the feeds instead of 4 times (which can be a bit annoying).
Thanks
I did use the cross-post function. Most apps do not currently acknowledge this function which might explain why the article has appeared to you multiple times.
Thanks! It seems this issue is harder than I thought :)
What is this healthy communication?! Aren’t you supposed to go into the “what the fuck did you just say to me” ramble?
I don’t know if it will last, but I really enjoy this cozy-but-not-cheesy environment. It feels different.
Even as someone who declines all cookies where possible on every site, I have to ask. How do you think they are going to be able to improve their language based services without using language learning models or other algorithmic evaluation of user data?
I get that the combo of AI and privacy have huge consequences, and that grammarly’s opt-out limits are genuinely shit. But it seems like everyone is so scared of the concept of AI that we’re harming research on tools that can help us while the tools which hurt us are developed with no consequence, because they don’t bother with any transparency or announcement.
Not that I’m any fan of grammarly, I don’t use it. I think that might be self-evident though.
Framing this solely as fear is extremely disingenuous. Speaking only for myself: I’m not against the development of AI or LLMs in general. I’m against the trained models being used for profit with no credit or cut given to the humans who trained it, willing or unwilling.
It’s not even a matter of “if you aren’t the paying customer, you’re the product” - massive swaths of text used to train AIs were scraped without permission from sources whose platforms never sought to profit from users’ submissions, like AO3. Until this is righted (which is likely never, I admit, because the LLM owners have no incentive whatsoever to change this behavior), I refuse to work with any site that intends to use my work to train LLMs.
Models need vast amounts of data. Paying individual users isnt feasible, and like you said most of it can be scraped.
The only way I see this working is if scraped content is a no go and then you pay the website, publishing house, record company, etc which kills any open source solution and doesn’t really help any of the users or creators that much. It also paves the way for certain companies owning a lot of our economy as we move towards an AI driven society.
It’s definitely a hot mess but the way I see it, the more restrictive we are with it, the more gross monopolies we create for no real gains.
Paying individual users isnt feasible
Sounds like their problem to solve, not mine.
I don’t see why those are the only two options.
We could update GPL, CC, etc. licensing so that it specifies whether the author intends to allow their work to be used for LLM training. And you could still put a non-commercial or share-alike constraint on it.
Hooray, open source is saved while greedy grubby hands are thwarted.
I’m against the trained models being used for profit with no credit or cut given to the humans who trained it.
Sorry mate, hell’s gonna get cold before this happens. We’re talking about the biggest moth******ers on earth since always. Do you think Meta/[insert big tech company name here] will start to behave all of the sudden? These people literally KILL people everyday for a profit (looking at you Instagram).
The only way to get something from these scumbags is fining them something like 100k per hour, until they start respecting people’s privacy
I did already say I don’t expect this to ever change, so “sorry mate,” but you’re not exactly telling me anything I don’t know here.
But I suspect this was a knee-jerk rant typed before bothering to read past what you quoted. Oh well. Good thing I can still stand against something even if I don’t expect it to change much.
Sorry if it sounded rude (and yeah, it was kind of a rant, sorry). What I’m trying to say is: these people do much worse things and don’t bother to say “sorry” publicly. The only way to make them behave is to fine them by a huge amount, just like Norway did.
Well, we can agree on that! Make paying contributors the cheaper option.
I won’t hold my breath though. :')
They’re honestly doing you a favor. Grammarly is terrible. I’ve seen some of my friends whose first language isn’t English use it to try to clean their grammar up and it makes some really weird, often totally mistaken choices. Usually they would have been better off leaving it as they wrote it.
How much do you have to pay for them to not monitor your every keystroke, including all your IP and passwords?
Oh, that’s their business model, right.
Any scope of privacy conscious users banding together to create a shell corp to pay for a business account? 500 users sounds doable. More the merrier, yeah?
I think I’d rather not give the company money at all.
Alternatively, you switch to LanguageTool because it does the same thing but it is privacy minded.
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Think about this every time you or a project you contribute to is using Microsoft GitHub instead of an open source offering (or self-hosted) or folks contributing to your permissive-licensed project living elsewhere while using Microsoft GitHub Copilot. All your projects and that force-push history clean up now belong to the Microsoft-owned AI that sells itself back to the developers that wrote all the code it trained on—no compensation, no recognition.
