Oppenheimer and the resurgence of Blu-ray and DVDs: How to stop your films and music from disappearing::In an era where many films and albums are stored in the cloud, “streaming anxiety” is making people buy more DVDs, records – and even cassette tapes.
Buy the box set, rip it to .mkv, drop in Plex, rinse and repeat.
Oh, wait, this isn’t c/piracy?
This is not only a good way to handle media, it’s one of the best.
It blows my goddamn mind that TV manufacturers didn’t develop a streaming portal “endpoint” player and band together to require content from Netflix/Hulu/etc meet that standard for delivery. It’s made TVs just app boxes.
Can you just imagine being able to see what is available on all services from one interface, all at once, and then start a stream of it seamlessly from whichever you movie profile page you have access to?
Instead we have half-assed lookup apps in some TVs that even when they find it a film then just launch a separate app.
Build a good Plex library and never look back. Buy Blurays and DVDs and lookup how to automate good handbrake encoding. Once you know how, you can honest to god automate most of it, and in my case, I have it auto-launch and rip any disc if it detects a Blu-ray film or DVD film and drop the resulting file in my NAS storage to be sorted. Blurays drives are cheap too now, so you can buy 2-3 and dump a whole library in just a few days.
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Apple TV has that single place, but Netflix doesn’t want to use it
Also, Netflix has the worst UI/UX on AppleTV boxes. The experience is vastly different and better on a Sony or Microsoft device in the Netflix software. It’s pretty odd imho.
What , specifically, do you find irksome on the Netflix ATV interface?
Only thing I dislike is the snippet/trailer autoplay. Everything else, works well for me.
First off, and mainly UX based, different feature sets. For example the way Netflix feeds ‘New and Upcoming’ items, notifications for those items, etc.
I do understand that AppleTV has just recently really solidified their decisions on how they want their controller/remote to work so that may be a factor in designing the software for the navigation across all legacy AppleTV devices. The control schemes on consoles and other media boxes have been a constant for years and years now which probably benefited the look and feel of the flavor of the app on ATV.
This same issue generally happens across other media streaming services. For instance, the Disney app; even slight FFWD is abominable. It’s just pickiness, however I’ll still switch over to the Roku or a console to watch anything on Disney+.
/tome
Although the controls on the second and third gen Apple TV are absolute hell I’ve always liked the fact that Netflix had a native look and feel on them. It actually makes be fairly annoyed when an app has a separate non-native UI.
Can you just imagine being able to see what is available on all services from one interface, all at once, and then start a stream of it seamlessly from whichever you movie profile page you have access to?
You see the utopian version of this with UI navigation perfection. I see what would likely have come of out such a collaboration being a screen 75% full of ads with user telemetry vacuumed up by hundreds of companies I can’t opt-out of that would have access to all my viewing data because they’re part of the collaboration.
Can you just imagine being able to see what is available on all services from one interface, all at once, and then start a stream of it seamlessly from whichever you movie profile page you have access to?
When I was little, we used to have a box plugged into the CRT TVs of the time that, when connected to a network, would allow you access to something similar to what you’re saying. Typically, you’d be able to open an electronic program guide to see a menu that displayed all the different services that you’re subscribed to and be able to switch between streams seamlessly. Granted, the biggest difference is that the individual service providers had a set schedule as to what was streaming at the time, so if you missed content scheduled at a certain time, you’d hope they’d rebroadcast it at some point.
Maybe we could have something similar, but with the ability to pick anything from each individual service providers’ library on demand?
Although there was a problem with this system, but I don’t really remember what it was. The service providers banded together and started raising prices, I think? But, then again, aren’t they doing something similar now?
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Do you have a “cheap” drive recommendation?
It’s odd to me that there are places that would consider that piracy
In my country (the Netherlands), to my knowledge, you have the right to do whatever you like with your copy of a movie as long as you don’t distribute it.
That includes ripping it, and putting the mkv on your personal server. That is precisely what the home-copy tax is for afterall…It’s odd to me that there are places that would consider that piracy
There doesn’t seem to be a common consensus on whether it is in the US. Some people say it’s fine as long as you paid for the disc. Others say the act of breaking DRM and producing a copy is a crime in itself.
In the US, my understanding is that there’s a weird catch-22 where it’s legal to make digital copies of media you own for personal use thanks to Fair Use laws, but it’s illegal to break copy protection under DMCA law. So you end up unable to exercise your right to copy DVDs and Blu-ray discs because they have copy protection, but it’s perfectly legal to copy music CDs for personal use because they don’t have copy protection.
Personally, I find it extremely unlikely you’ll get jailed or fined for ripping your discs for personal use. It’s only if you start redistributing it that you increase your likelihood of legal problems.
Technically, you could dump the disc as an iso, then restore it to a disk later with the encryption intact.
Possibly not the best idea from a future access standpoint, mind!That’s a good point I hadn’t considered from a legal standpoint before. I believe there’s also some network media players out there that can load up iso files, so in theory you could have a library of iso files that you load up as if you were playing the disc, complete with menus and all.
I have no idea if this is any better from a legal standpoint though, since you’d still be using what I assume is unauthorized software to bypass the DVD and Blu-ray encryption whenever you play the iso.
Long story short, they really need to carve out a DMCA exception for this specific conflicting case (which they’ve done for other conflicting situations), but I suspect there’s some strong lobbying against it by interested parties…
Ironically, there’s disc drm cracking software called… Fair Use!
Australia: If you do that for interoperability (in this case you want it accessible from your library) it’s legal.
Depending on where you live, I believe the loop hole is that ripping media for personal use is legal but breaking the DRM and/or sharing the DRM breaking program is illegal.
It’s that way in the US too.
Copying isn’t piracy, it’s fair-use.
Yes to all of that, except for Plex. Use Jellyfin. It’s open source, and most importantly, doesn’t force authentication from proprietary servers that you can’t control. When those auth servers go down, as they’ve been known to do, you can’t stream your media from your own server (unless you want to disable auth, which is a joke).
Always think it’w funny how lemmy users tear you a new hole for mentioning proprietary software instead of (F)OSS but will usually happily recommend Plex in any case (and Arch).
Yeah this way you don’t need to buy a Blu-Ray player either.
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Something something synology. Rent a disc, rip and repeat.
Bullshit. Piracy is the only thing preserving it. Why? Because as a PC user 4k HDR Blu-Rays are forbidden for me anyways to play legally despite owning them.
What are you on about? In the US at least, there’s no legal restriction on you playing 4K Blu-Ray movies on a PC.
I’m curious as well. I googled to make sure there was a PC Blu-ray drive, and there is.
I have a Blu-Ray drive myself, which can read 4K discs format wise. But the DRM industry forbids me from playback. There is no software playing it back in 4K HDR format, unless I crack the disc.
In my country (Australia) you’re allowed to break the DRM for interoperability purposes. We could legally use deCSS, back when DVDs were state of the art, if we wanted to play them on our Linux computers
I don’t think blue ray is nearly as easy to breakI just double checked. Not quite “super easy, barely an inconvenience” but quite do-ableThis doesn’t apply to every country and some of the laws have to be stretched. I interpret this industry boycott of an entire platform as an abandonware situation. You don’t give me the opportunity to make a deal in the first place.
Yeah it sucks if your government just rolled over when asked for strictest copyright.
I’m pretty sure VCRs and tape backup got it legal in the US to move media you have right to watch between media
Australia got its law on circumvention through American diplomatic pressure, we refused leaving out the interoperability clause. Others under the same pressure didn’t push back
The drive is not the issue.
Most Blu-Ray disks have DRM encryption. There simply doesn’t seem to be a (legal) decryption mechanism on PC, probably to avoid people ripping the movies.
Nah. I’m sure there are multiple factors, as mentioned in the article, but another big thing preserving physical media is home theater enthusiasts. With a good system, the higher bitrate video and lossless audio on a UHD Blu-ray is noticable compared to most streamed content.
Plus things like director’s commentary and things. I really do want those.
Buy an Xbox One Series X, or PS5. Heck, there are even stand alone 4K players.
I was looking at PS5, it doesn’t support HDR for blurays
It does do HDR, it just doesn’t do DolbyVision HDR. So, depending on your television, HDR10 works fine.
Stand-alone players with DolbyVision are about the same price as a game console:
Anyone who thinks physical media on disc is a good way to preserve a work in perpetuity has never heard of disc rot.
Rip it, store it digitally, make periodic backups. Or obtain the IMAX film reel and keep it hermetically sealed for decades.
To build on this: DO NOT USE AN SSD to store your data long-term! Solid-state storage has a very short, finite life-span. What you want to do is buy an even number of hard drives, plug them in long enough to copy your data to, and then unplug them and store them in a climate-controlled area. bout once a year, copy the data to a different hard drive, rinse, and repeat. Left untouched long enough, a hard drive will experience data rot. Used constantly, a hard drive will wear out. Used very sporadically, you preserve the data and the mechanical parts of the hard drive.
This is a pretty big overstatement.
DO NOT USE AN SSD to store your data long-term! Solid-state storage has a very short, finite life-span.
This has not been true for years. SSDs are generally more reliable than HDDs except in write-intensive applications (and even then… It really depends on what exact models you are comparing). SSDs have a life-span mostly talked about in terms of TBW (terabytes written) rather than years for a reason, if they’re powered on and not written too they’ll last as long as or longer than a hard drive. (Note: Powered on regularly, SSDs can lose data if stored unpowered for a long time (months)). If you just have an archival drive you’re not constantly erasing and rewriting data to, an SSD is a great choice. Reads also barely affect the lifespan of at all, so you can still access the data you want to protect (hell, write-lock the drive even and it’ll last decades if powered on).
What you want to do is buy an even number of hard drives, plug them in long enough to copy your data to, and then unplug them and store them in a climate-controlled area. bout once a year, copy the data to a different hard drive
This is just plain silly. Yes, the mechanical wear of the drives spinning up and down means they’ll die faster. But we’re still talking MTBF measured in years. And replacing a hard drive that’s barely used every single year? That’s not just bad advice it’s creating e-waste for no reason. Also note drives fail on a bathtub curve… If you have two good drives that lasted a year, you are increasing your chances of a failure by swapping them for two brand new drives… The best thing you can do for your hard drives is to not power cycle them constantly, any typical usage is fine. Also mechanical parts can actually wear out from disuse as well. Even archival services don’t go to these extremes you’re recommending.
If you really care about saving your data follow 3-2-1. 3 copies of your data (live, archival (external HDD or similar), off-site), two-different forms of media (HDD, SSD, cloud (yes cloud is an HDD or SSD but they have their own redundancy)), one off-site (in the event of a fire etc.)
Honestly 99.9% of consumers would be fine with a 2-2-1 scheme, 2 copies (live and off-site/cloud), 2 forms of media, 1 off-site. If you don’t trust Google or don’t want to pay for cloud storage, set up a server with redundant disks at a friend’s house. Just keeping a second copy on a server with redundancy is plenty of fail over for most use cases. 3-2-1 is for data centers and businesses (and any cloud service you rent from will follow 3-2-1…) Let’s not overcomplicate how difficult it is to keep data intact, if I tell someone to buy a new 12tb HDD each year they’re just gonna give up on keeping it safe.
No, I’m not saying replace the drive annually. That would, indeed, be dumb. I’m saying copy the data back and forth between hard drives that are kept offline.
Even better, have a NAS with a raid array and data scrubbing for your primary storage, and periodically make backups to off-site storage (an off-site NAS or external hard drive are good options that don’t rely on commercial cloud services).
How about SD cards?
SD cards are far worse than hard drives or SSDs for long term storage. They are useful for temporary mobile data storage and transit, but anything you want to keep long term should be transferred off relatively quickly.
Don’t listen to what he said… But SD cards are generally not very reliable. They might be fine they might die on you silently after a week.
Higher quality ones are better of course, but the quality of flash in SD cards varies wildly. I wouldn’t store anything on an SD card that I don’t already have a second copy of somewhere. (If I want to preserve it and it would cause problems for me to lose it)
I have considered buying or building a second NAS and putting it in my parents house for offsite backup.
Or just get an M-disc burner and burn discs that’ll last a good hundred years.
If streaming anxiety is making you buy more cassette tapes instead of pirating I’d like to have a word with you.
I buy lots of cassette tapes on bandcamp (thousands by now) and also download lossless digital for the archive. Streaming sucks and I like to support artists, so piracy is out (for music only, I’m not buying video content).
Not everyone can pirate.
I love DVD extras like ‘The Making Of…’ documentaries and creator interviews/commentaries.
There’s a special edition of ‘Buckaroo Banzai’ with an on screen commentary that’s fantastic. I found out that the briefcase Buckaroo carries with him into Dimension 8 had a tuna fish salad sandwich and Eintein’s brain.
The commentary was in character too!
Since you’re a connoisseur of niche entertainment, here are a few suggestions for obscure creators.
Tanith Lee, author. Neil Gaiman stole most of his best stuff from her. In Night’s Master the hero is Satan, and in Death’s Master, the protagonist is Death.
Ross Thomas, author. Washington reporter turned novelist, his books almost always focus on dirty politics. ‘The Porkchoppers’ is about a Union election back in the Nixon Era and ‘Briarpatch’ makes the small city it’s set in a major character.
Russ Meyer, movie maker. ‘Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill!’ The title of the movie is the most subtle thing in it.
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There is still DRM on DVDs and Blu-rays. Don’t think everything is perfect because you have the physical media. You still only have a license to play it.
My mkv software says otherwise.
It’s way easier to break. And even ignoring that, for these technologies at least, as long as you keep/find a working player, it’s fine-ish. You can still do backup/duplicate too. As far as conservation is concerned, physical media gives these options.
Do Blu rays require to phone home periodically to validate drm over the Internet? Genuine question., as I have read here that right to play them can be revoked.
They do not require any online connection. AACS has some ability to revoke media player keys, but it does so by encrypting future releases in such a way that the revoked player can not decrypt them (how this works technically is a bit complicated).
So if they decide to revoke your player, it can still play every Blu-ray disc manufactured before the revokation went into effect.
So yes a temporary internet connection is required. In order to download the updated keys.
No, there are no updated keys that need to be downloaded. It’s kind of like, they just stop including the key matching the revoked device on future Blu-ray releases. All other devices are completely unaffected by this, because their key is still on the discs. So they don’t need to change or update anything.
This is the way.
I check the list of new physical releases regularly. I’d rather drop $30 on a disc than blow $50 in a theater and walk out with nothing.
I spend $20/month to see as many movies as I want at the theater. Last month I saw 6 movies, 9 in November, and expecting 6 this month.
The theater isn’t a bad deal with these unlimited subscriptions. In fact it’s the most bang for my buck entertainment option I have these days.
Since Oppenheimer was such a success, can we please get a high-budget Feynman film already? The guy was far more interesting and cooler and just generally more of a badass than Oppenheimer. And he fucked a lot more than Oppenheimer.
All we’ve gotten is Infinity which… it was okay, but come on. The guy got bored at Los Alamos and decided to learn how to safecrack. In the middle of the Manhattan Project. Because he was fucking bored.
I know it’s not the point of the article but I need to express my annoyance at the fact that Christopher Nolan is encouraging dvd/bluray purchase so much. He explicitly designs shitty sound in his films supposedly to make them sound better for the theater (i question his success in that effort) and then doesn’t adjust it for the bluray. So even then at home you have to adjust the sound up and down to hear the dialogue while not getting your eardrums blasted out by the action sequences.
Ok rant over. Otherwise I agree wholeheartedly, don’t trust streaming services to keep your movies for you. Bluray is the way.
They don’t even design their sound to be good in all theaters, just ones with “top of the line” audio systems, which means the audio is likely to suck if you go to your local AMC or other chain.
He’s also said before that they just don’t care if some dialogue is inaudible, apparently shitty sound is just part of the experience, intentionally. Maybe we should stop buying tickets and Blu-Ray’s of his movies until they start making good movies.
Not true at all.
I saw The Dark Knight Rises at a cinema and I couldn’t hear shit there either.
In fact most modern audio mixing is piss poor. Do yourself a favour and turn the subtitles on.
Torrent them onto your own storage and make backups .
In any reasonable society we would have actual ownership rights over the digital media that we buy and we wouldn’t be beholden to fickle services or the inevitable decay of matter.
DRM-free copies, when properly backed up, are more secure than physical media. I have ripped MP3s from music CDs that already stopped working.
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