I live in Japan and drive a kei-car that’s kinda like a van. 660cc engine (my motorbike is 400cc). I plan on probably eventually getting one of the trucks like in the thumbnail for my farm business. Ask me anything, I guess, if you have questions about them.
How common are the EVs versions over there?
I didn’t know about this so I did some searching. Per https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20250507/k10014798141000.html
昨年度、国内で最も売れたEVは日産と三菱自動車が共同開発した軽自動車で、会社はそれと同じ水準の260万円程度の販売価格を目指すとしています。
Last year, the most domestically-sold EV was a kei vehicle which I didn’t know.
No ev kei trucks yet, only vans
Tax subsidized parasite big mad they might have to compete
We citizens need to change the laws to highly tax those oversized vehicles. And we should make them commercial use only. Average people don’t need huge trucks. K-cars are quite cool.
Unfortunately taxes are kinda the reason why we see so many oversized trucks on the market and the reason you don’t see any small trucks anymore. It’s a result of manufacturers and lobbyists gamifying the EPA regulations that came out like 10-15 years ago.
Basically trucks under a certain weight have to meet a certain mpg standard otherwise they’d be taxed at a higher rate. However, there was a bypass for heavier “super-duty” trucks, so now most every truck being sold is classified as a super-duty which were originally meant to encompass “working” trucks meant to haul things like equipment.
It’s really just another symptom of our government being a joke and the result of regulatory capture.
They’re “light” trucks under CAFE standards as opposed to real trucks like semis and utility trucks. If they were smaller I think they would be lumped in with all the other normal passenger vehicles.
I feel like the gas and the monthly cost of the loan they took out against their mortgage is probably tax enough.
I genuinely believe most of these super-truck owners already have one foot in the financial grave and are just in denial about it.
Hence the need for a higher level of licensure in order to operate one.
OP is not talking about semi trucks
I’m not either.
Most of these new trucks might as well be
Clearly not, because these dickheads are out there driving vehicles that are way over-specced for their use cases, all because they have tiny penises and need to compensate! Some of these things are that tall that you can’t see an average height adult standing in front of the grill from the drivers seat.
Yeah, and they’re not even needed, except as an emotional support vehicle for their impotent owners. Very few are working vehicles - how often are they seen with the bed loaded up?
I rarely see anything in the back of these Earth killing things. And where I live, every idiot owns a diesel version. Louder and dirtier.
A coworker was telling me all about how “once you own a truck, you realize all the things you can do with a truck that you couldn’t before”
And like, he’s not wrong but all the things he listed were my non-urgent to-do list that I keep written down and when it has 3-4 items I rent a truck from Uhaul for the day. I spend about $20 while they’re spending thousands on their monthly payment, not to mention gas.
In 2018, i had to talk a roommate out of buying an F150. He wanted to buy it because we were moving… Two miles down the road. We lived in the valley, and he was going to school in Hollywood. Imagine driving 30-40 miles, daily, on the 101, in bumper to bumper traffic, with Los Angeles gas prices. I showed him some napkin math and he ended up getting a Honda Civic and renting a uhaul.
This made me think of the SNL Californians.
It’s not a joke.
I still remember the route to my Moms place
101 to the 126 to the 5 to the 210 to the 57 to the 71 to the 15 to the 78.
All to try and bypass LA traffic.
The 405 is always bumper to bumper around LAX, even at 3 AM.
That route was the fastest. Or it was like 15 years ago.
I play a game if I’m ever like, waiting at a red light with one. Could I fit my couch in their truck bed? This massive, beefy truck that may have cost nearly a 100k…
I dont think my couch would fit in most of their truck beds. And I laugh at the idiocy of owning such a machine that is useless.
I remember my redneck hick uncles talking so much shit when extended cabs became a thing in the 90s. I don’t know the bigots anymore but I think they called in right with this non practical trucks.
The flip side of this is that people who actually want a small, practical truck for utility purposes cannot buy one in the US. Doesn’t exist. Those supertrucks are all you get now, and yeah, the finances don’t make sense for this utility use, either.
And for fucks sake, nobody point me to the Maverick. That is not any kind of small utility truck and you know it. The Maverick is “well, there’s spam egg sausage and spam, that’s not got much spam in it” except for trucks.
Japan basically takes those cars off circulation by taxing the ownership to the point that its better to get rid of them as they age. Its great for us who want them in their sub-par age. But we might also want to think about doing the same.
So many conspiracy theories in these comments about why American manufacturers don’t build smaller cars.
It’s very simple, American Auto Companies are loan companies, not auto manufacturers.
Why would they produce a $10k go-kart with a useable bed when they can get people to finance a $110k SUV at 18% APR?
It’s not about oil, or other resources, or even labor and tooling.
It’s just much more profitable to put you into debt.
I’ve noticed that Americans do not consider using an armed rebellion against evil corporate practices but talk about 2A rights all the time.
but talk about 2A rights all the time.
Most of the 2A talks come from people who want to start evil corporations.
No armed rebellion is complete without a technical built from a Toyota Hilux, which we sadly only get the slightly larger variant, the Tacoma.
The truth about the perfect vehicle for armed uprisings isn’t that they only use Hiluxs. That’s simply a myth. The truth is that no other vehicle has ever been able to complete even a single mission. You send 20 Hiluxs and 40,000 Tacomas into battle? You’ll soon have 20 Hiluxs and 40,000 heaps of burning inferior pieces of junk. The Hilux has proven time and time again that it isn’t just the perfect vehicle for an armed rebellion, it’s the only vehicle able to survive.
And them’s the facts.
As an American I can break it down for you. The people who wont stop about 2A are sheep, sheep get told what to think, so when the “news” tells them that doing anything to make life better in America will actually make life worse and is some form of evil -ism (communism, socialism, etc.) that they have been programmed to hate, they believe it without question. These clowns are incapable of creating a personal opinion, they just accept the narrative that their favorite talking head gives them, and think they came up with it all on their own.
This is without even getting into the tribalism that makes these beliefs they have been given feel like a part of their identity, and thus making it near impossible to change.
I’m not really concerned about these idiots losing their guns, because they’re too much of pussies to actually use them on the correct enemy. They don’t know who the enemy is, let alone be able to read. They’re easily indoctrinated. Not only that, their co-opted, their messages are taken away from them. I mean, they’re just such a servile people. For me, I mean, if there ain’t no revolution, because there ain’t gonna be one inside of the Imperial core, the gun would just be used on myself to kill myself, so I just don’t have a gun. I mean emotions fluctuate, you know?
Not disagreeing with you, but Kei trucks lack a lot of standard safety features, so it’s not a black and white issue
So the reason is because it’s unsafe, unlike, oh, idk, the sharp-edged Cybertruck?
…both things can be true?
For the record I’d love to get a Kei truck. But they like… don’t have airbags lol
My point is that the Cybertruck is unsafe, and it’s on the market. So the American car market clearly doesn’t require safety, it’s just a marketing point.
I think we can all agree that Cybertrucks are a bit of an outlier here. I mean we used to ridicule vehicles with safety this poor. But yeah I wouldn’t want to be on the freeway in either a cybertruck or a kei truck. But moving stuff downtown would be perfect for them - basically give them moped permissions.
But yeah I wouldn’t want to be on the freeway in either a cybertruck or a kei truck.
Why not? Because everyone else is in a truck so large they wouldn’t be able to see you?
Not a problem here in Europe. Wiki says they can do 120 ungoverned. Seems fine enough. Large commercial trucks, as in “semis” to Americans, but even the smaller Large Heavy Goods vehicles, as in lorries in Britain, aren’t allowed to do more than 80km/h on the freeway. I’m sure the Kei trucks can do that even when encumbered.
You are missing the point, the cyber truck will kill/maim/damage pedestrians (no biggie), cyclists (no biggie) and other cars (darn, gotta deal with insurance) most of the time! It’s a feature for the kind of people that buy them.
They don’t have standard safety features because it’s illegal to import the ones that do.
Didn’t Trump start messing around with all that? Like our safety standards? Because his boy, Elon, wanted to be looked at as… The CEO that doesn’t create unsafe cars.
Especially because we are a captive market. Public transport is essentially non existent in most areas. You have to get a car, and you have to take a loan on it. Without a car, a lot of places won’t even hire you.
you have to take a loan on it.
Can’t you buy cheaper or 2nd hand cars?
It’s still going to be at least $10k or so, unless you scour Facebook marketplace or know how not to get scammed.
My stepfather’s job was to negotiate deals between the car dealerships and the banks. They were all fucking sharks. Used car salesmen are terrible people as a rule.
Yes. It is quite straightforward. First you figure out the kind of car you want - eg, Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic. Peruse fb marketplace / Craigslist / etc to look at your options, note typical price for what you want based on model year and condition. Check your market once per day for a few weeks or months, and eventually a deal will come up - or else you can search in other areas you’d be willing to travel to. When you find a good (or at least reasonable) deal, you message the seller, and tell them the following things:
- You are very interested.
- The earliest time you are available to meet - ideally “right now or any time today”. Also ideally, this would occur during normal business hours for mechanics and banks.
- You can pay in cash.
- You want it inspected by a mechanic before you buy.
When you agree on a time / place to meet, start looking up mechanics nearby. Getting a pre-sale inspection is a service offered by most shops for a small fee. Call ahead and ask if they can do an inspection around the time you are meeting the seller.
Before you meet with the seller, look up a checklist of things to inspect yourself. These are basic things that are easy to check - do the lights work? The blinkers? The AC/heat/defroster? You can find inspection lists pretty easily online.
Meet with the seller. Ask them about the car, its history, maintenance records, and why they are selling it. Take it for a test drive on neighborhood roads and on the highway. Drive to the mechanic and have them inspect the car.
After all this, it is time to negotiate. If you or the mechanic found anything concerning, you can use this to haggle with the seller, who is likely ready to take a few hundred less in order to be done dealing with the headache of selling their car. With an agreed upon price, head to your bank.
Most banks provide members with free notary services. You can have them notarize a bill of sale or the car’s title if necessary. Once the title is signed over to your name, go to the teller, withdrawal cash, and hand that fat stack to the seller.
Drive away with your new car.
Also make sure the shop knows its a pre-sale inspection
That sounds more conspiracists than “Americans like shit vehicles”
The Canyonero Simpsons episode came out in 98 to make fun of this
Anyone who cares about american auto manufacturing shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Americans make shit cars.
It depends on your supply chain and the willingness of rich people to take the fair share that they deserve and give the workers the fair share that they deserve. But in America, it’s all about the lowest common denominator. So everything is made terribly. Americans can make better cars, but we don’t. Because we allow rich people to step all over us. Because we have no class solidarity or any goddamn common sense. We fail to see ourselves in the hierarchy. But at the end of the day, capitalism will destroy the planet.
Colorado’s Division of Motor Vehicles also tried to explicitly ban them last year, though it later pulled its proposed rule. Some kei vehicle owners, however, say the state is still trying to keep them off the road by refusing to allow them into the emissions testing process.
As usual it’s confusion from news when reporting on public policy. So are they proposing that there be exceptions to emissions rules for these vehicles or not? Because that will make a huge amount of difference in how much I or pretty much anyone else should support this.
If I could have a modern(within the past 10 years) make of a Kei truck in my little Appalachian town I’d be so goddamn happy.
There is a reason the guy in the article bought a 1990. The US has a 25 year rule for importing vehicles that weren’t sold here. These became legal in Utah a few years ago because they made off road side by sides legal as long as you made some modifications (horn, turn signals, mirrors, etc). There’s a particular weight range they need to fall between. They also have to hold the same insurance requirements and registration as any other road vehicle. I don’t think they can be used on any road above 45.
And I think that’s a good set of regulations for Kei trucks. Particularly the speed. It should keep them off of high speed roadways and more on urban side streets where the speeds are supposed to be slower. They can find a good use in those situations.
Utah’s goal to my knowledge was to get things like this to be road legal since everybody has them out here. I think the kei trucks was mostly a happy accident because of the way they wrote it. Still not use to seeing these at the grocery store just in a parking spot.
Those are real trucks
For three years we’ve used this GEM[global electric motors] LSV[low speed vehicle] as our primary vehicle.
Legally I’m restricted to roads with 35mph speed limits or less, my maximum legal speed is 25mph, I never bothered to modify the top speed. I’m registered & insured in Reno. Driving the GEM is like towing a trailer, if the line of cars forms behind me, I pull over & let them pass Maybe 4 times a year someone rage passes me & generally ends up waiting next to me at the next light
With the lumber rack, beacon & safety triangle, I probably appear to be a city or university worker.The notion that everyone must drive at or above the speed limit isn’t true in my experience. Every trip does not require getting on a limited access highway & blasting along at 70 mph. The time saved is minimal, Small mistakes become serious accidents at higher speeds Every vehicle forum I’ve ever been on has a large contingent of Boys who want their toys to go fast.
The older model Kei mini trucks is too short & narrow to go faster than 40 mph or so safely. Making it wider reduces the ability to lane split :DI used to ride my bicycle in a medium sized city and I’d get to the destination sooner because I burned the lights. I know it’s wrong but I did and I would get there before them. It’s funny, people just don’t think about anything really, they just accept society as it is. Clearly we don’t need all these big giant fucking trucks, and I fucking hate it. I think to myself, a lot of these motherfuckers are running their trucks like Halliburton with the beds empty, with a nice coat of wax. They call themselves cowboys, but they’re just goofballs and they look so beta. I mean, unless they’re at like a left-wing protest and they want to drive people over. People get these trucks because they’re fucking scared anti-social fucks. Anybody that drives a monster truck is a douchebag. We are a servile people in America. I look at Europe and I’m envious. The way they protest against things and the government has to listen and the cops are not like full-blown military. I just love it. I just love Europe. It’s just so much better than here. Now, I do understand that the same influences are polluting Europe and Europe is not a perfect place. But I’ve been there and it feels so much better being there. When I went, I specifically set my mind up to look at infrastructure, the health of the people, and all things other than being a tourist, just even how people communicate with each other, looking at families, the food. I didn’t go to fancy restaurants. I went to hole-in-walls. It’s just so much better. It’s so much better of a place. And don’t get me wrong. Europe is suffering because the Yankee was trying to separate Russia and its cheap energy from Europe. And really the leaders of Europe have screwed themselves because now America is turning their backs on them. The Ukraine War was started in 2014 when they… The United States supported a coup and overthrew the democratically elected president of that time. And then the nationalist or fascist ended up gaining more power. And so I guess now the Yankee is supporting the fascist in Ukraine. And we, in the United States, are living under a fascist regime. Biden is an example of the old Neo-liberal order nato fascist and Trump is something new. He is a response to populism. He is a response to capitalism in crisis.He is a fascist, a full-blown fascist. people in America thinking that they’re western civilization, that’s ridiculous. This place is a casino of stupidity. They think the decisions that they make about life are theirs, but in reality, it’s the choices you’ve been given. You have no say in your community, your society, at the end of the day. I don’t need to be hostile. I’m just looking for my opportunity to jet and get the fuck out of this empty vessel of lesser things. If I left, I would never, never, never, ever, ever, ever, never return to America for anything. I would just leave it all. The guilt I feel for America and its choices. Also, I do view this place as.a trap of debt slavery. And this place rewards antisocial behavior. It is truly an abysmal place and it is not just Trump. This is a continuation and Trump is just like, straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I can’t do it anymore. Life ain’t worth living if I gotta stay.i’m sick of the good-caught bad cop scenario. I’m sick of the left and right paradigm. I’m sick of American exceptionalism …i am sick of American imperialism. Either neoliberal soft power or full-blown fucking fascist.
How do they do in crash tests? Are there blind spots?
Cars a death machines. We need to regulate them.
Low speeds isnt a risk. But if it’s a danger to its occupants or pedestrians/cyclists, it shouldn’t be on the road
They do fine in crashes… Against normal sized cars. They get absolutely obliterated by trucks and SUVs.
Most of them don’t go over 55, and aren’t highway legal because of that.
I am definitely going to die if I get hit by an SUV on my motorbike, but I’m free to drive that to work all the time. I fail to see how a mini-car is materially different while we allow other dangerous vehicles on the road by the same definition.
Can’t your motorbike go over 100kmph?
Right, but your motor bike isn’t a threat to the companies that line lawmakers pockets to provide us with only large expensive and mostly useless trucks.
My bicycle isn’t highway legal, so its allowed on roads other than the highways with min speed requirements.
I don’t think cars can be banned wholesale just because they can’t drive on some highways
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I would kill for one of these trucks, its so fucking stupid that they are banned
ill give you a japanese truck if…
I would even be happy with a small pickup like the old Datsuns or Mazdas. Instead my choices are Big-ass Toyota Truck or Ford Monster Truck or Dodge Monster Truck.
I have two Ford Rangers which are the US-branded Mazda B2000s. I am SO paranoid about anything going wrong with them because in my market I am FUCKED. I cannot work out of the trucks made after 2012.
Curious, why do you need a small truck?
When I first moved to Los Angeles I was amazed at all the small trucks still being used. NY road salt destroys them so I hadn’t seen any in years. The small Toyotas and Rangers are loved by gardeners and the prices they command show it.
I do carpentry, building, handyman stuff. LOTS of tools and blades and bits and all kinds of shit. I have a canopy on the bed . I made a sliding drawer and I need to pull it out and have all my tools at waist level. I’m watching these clowns having to constantly climb up into their truck beds and dig through packout boxes and it is silly. Also, I can fit into a parking space and not block the Lowes drive-through lumberyard
I’d go for it with a slight caveat: They need to uprate the engines a bit so they can cruise on US highways at US highway speeds. While they can reach 75mph ungoverned, you generally don’t want to run an ICE at close to its limit. That’s why you aim for 85-100mph max speed for US highways; it means it’ll be running efficiently cruising at 60-70mph.
Fortunately, this shouldn’t be difficult. The engines would likely be capable of it with a little tuning or extra turbocharger boost. And going electric makes it all a non-issue.
If you look for an Indonesian model, some are available with a 1.2 liter engine instead of the Japanese max 600cc.
And going electric makes it all a non-issue.
Easier to upgrade, given, but most of the electric versions are on slightly oversized golf cart drivetrains with lead acid batteries.
I’ve seen a few YouTubers unbox them.
I drive a K6a turbo engine 5spd manual daily and at 110km/h (~68mph) it’s standing at around 3.5k rpm which is their sweet spot for fuel economy. The red line is at 8k. The car could go hours at that pace without any issue. It’s stock.
Had an aircooled vanagon that was way more picky than my kei car. Driving 55+ mph was a sure way to overheat.
I’d still take one for most stuff. 70MPH is the maximum speed permitted on the majority of the US interstate system, most US highways were limited to 55 until relatively recently (at least in along the East coast).
While you can go slower, you’ll be the slowest vehicle on the road. That’s a safety concern because differences in speed are the most important issue on the highway. The safest speed there is the one where you flow with everyone else.
had a 95 Nissan 240sx. in Japan, it was a little different, called Silvia. drift cars. couldn’t buy but had to be imported/converted to us specs. saw some Chinese trucks also damn useful as farm trucks. fucked that up
This passed a couple days ago and will be signed by the Governor today! Takes effect July 2027.
Thank you Colorado
Someone is considering moving to Colorado
