The headline is a clear indicator that OP doesn’t understand how global trade works.
Chinese companies don’t import goods into US, American companies do… Amazon, Walmart, gap, etc
They serve as an Importer of Record and they pay the tariffs, which squeezes US companies profit marhin first if they chose to continue to import.
Them being able to pass on the tariffs on consumers is TBD…
Sure medical supplies, not much of a choice…
But a lot of this consumption is just brain dead American normie buying plastic Chinese trash. They will have to decide if it is worth for them.
But the idea that US corpo recovering 100% of tariffs on discretionary products is is just corpo propaganda that y’all larping too hard.
Get educated
Them being able to pass on the tariffs on consumers is TBD…
I’m trying to understand this magical world you live in. What is still being determined?
You are assuming US customers will just keep consuming same shit and pay higher prices 100%?
Have you never heard of substitution tactics s or just forgoing discretionary spending
Y’all got some warped view of how consumption “must happen” and “can’t be changed”
It is a reshuffle. People and businesses will make adjustments.
Chinese companies don’t import goods into US, American companies do… Amazon, Walmart, gap, etc
Duh. Exactly what I’m saying. The importer is paying the tariffs, not the exporter.
How about YOU go educated yourself, and while you’re there get fucked lol.
I mean realistically tariffs will be distributed across expoter/importer/purchaser. Simply because tariffs force renegotiations on price.
However, it’s likely that the importer/purchaser will take the larger hit, but it depends on what percentage US orders make of the exporters business and what their margins are.
…and how much that supply can be redirected. Like, say, into an internal market. Which, just hypothetically, their government might incentivise to bolster their image of harbingers of material wealth as well as to piledrive the US into oblivion.
China can also redirect their exports and imports whcin are they are already doing.
Soybeans from BR for example.
Don’t wish for MAGAts to get fucked! That’s a pleasurable experience and could end up causing a child to happen. We want less of them, not more!
Wish them a very lonely, sad, miserable existence without any love life instead. They deserve that much more!
and while you’re there get fucked lol.
Now now, this doesn’t help anyone. Agree with the the informational content of what you said though.
It aint my dear 🤡
Looks like we have an economic genius here. I think the white house is hiring and you have the perfect profile for the job. Good luck, don’t come back.
You made a factually incorrect assertion on which you were checked.
Think about where you are getting these ideas from
Which assertion did you check? I’m calling you out as a liar, the thing you said is not true. Feel free to correct me by linking the post you claim to have made!
Wrong account?
Nope, different people. Idiot.
What false assertion? I said MAGA still don’t understand they are the ones who will be paying the tariffs, and I’m right. Maybe try Truth Social? I’m sure you would get along with the people there.
You have a juvenile understanding of the topic and also prepeating propaganda.
Tariff is a tax on corporate profit margin first and foremost.
Any accountant r economist can tell you this.
Managing tariff obligations requires a thorough understanding of the related accounting practices. These costs must be accurately identified and recorded in inventory valuation to ensure financial statements reflect the true cost structure of the business. Adherence to GAAP and IFRS is essential for accurate reporting.
Tariffs can create significant cash outflows, affecting liquidity and necessitating robust forecasting models to predict these impacts. Strategies such as negotiating extended payment terms with suppliers or optimizing working capital can maintain financial stability. Additionally, leveraging tax credits or deductions available under the Internal Revenue Code can offset some tariff-related financial burdens.
https://accountinginsights.org/protective-tariff-example-how-it-impacts-accounting-and-finance/
Sure some of that will likely ended up being “paid by maga”
But skipping the impact on corporate profit is you being either disingenuous or a useful idiot.
I don’t disagree with you in principle. But in practice, at 145%, I don’t see how this wouldn’t turn into an extremely disruptive event for the importing company.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the profit margin on Chinese product A is 150%. Even if, in theory, the whole tariff can be supported by the company, that would be very unlikely to happen, as the YOY results would kill its numbers, leading to lower guidance, falling share prices etc. The more likely scenario is that at least a part of that will be passed on downstream and will eventually lead to higher prices for the consumer.
There are probably US importers out there that got used to making like bandits on cheap Chinese imports topped off with huge profit margins, but how big would those have to be for the company to be able to absorb the impact? 300%? 500%? And even if they’re able, the temptation of passing some of the cost downstream is going to be there. After all, they have the perfect excuse.
As for the Chinese e-commerce giants (AliBaba, Temu etc.) , they don’t even bother, the full tariff costs are applied to the purchase for every US order. So let’s not include those.
Now, I can see you have an above average understanding of economy. Do you disagree with the above? I have been arguing your points in good faith, I hope you’ll offer me the same courtesy.
But skipping the impact on corporate profit is you being either disingenuous or a useful idiot.
OP’s point is clearly that maga idiots think exporters (e.g., Chinese companies) pay for tariffs and will gladly do so, because they live in an alternate reality thanks to Fox news. You’re mad that he isn’t pointing out one aspect of actual reality.
What’s the mechanism that makes this sales tax only apply to corporate profits and not all the other costs that go into producing a good or service?
My unsolicited advice? Don’t feed the troll any more. Your summary on this post was very clear and understandable, and makes sense. The person you are arguing with is either trolling, being deliberately obtuse, or is just plain stupid. I’m assuming it’s the first of those three options. But who knows.
Yep!
If the world had any sense Rupert Murdoch would be at the bottom of the ocean.
except he also has his son lachlan murdoch is controlling the reins of fox, hes worst than his father.
I think that was pretty clear sarcasm. A lot of people hate read/comment on Fox News.
“Build the wall and Mexico will pay for it”
Testing
Honestly the fact that this fake news got going makes no sense to me. If you even atop for a second to think about how tarrifs are collected you’d know this would never be the case
Trump complains that other countries have tariffs on the US. Yet no US manufacturer ever seems to have paid them. Odd that.
This is why debating or having any discussion with them is beyond worthless. If they have nothing. They will simply pull it out of their ass.
stop for a second to think
I think maybe I see the problem.
He built a wall and Mexico paid for it. They remember that clearly, so what he says 10 years later must be true. Anyone surprised maga people believing this is surprising. lol.
Thing is, we’ve seen it at least a few times. Nintendo, for instance, did not increase the Switch 2 price. Many companies are afraid of adding a “tariff tax” label on goods.
I personally don’t understand it. What I’ve heard is that part of the issue is when companies are in many fields, the government could choose to retaliate on any of them. Reject their H1B visas when they set higher product prices, for instance.
Switch games are heavily overpriced. And switch 2 will likely have joycon issues again.
They’ll probably just price the games in the US than elsewhere
The switch 2 is also produced, in some capacity, in Vietnam. Apparently all the production from there is being redirected to the US to avoid tariffs, for now anyway.
If I remember correctly what I’ve read, Nintendo will sell Vietnam made consoles to the US and China made consoles to the rest of the world. But even with that, they could reportedly sell the Switch 2 at lost in the US (!). I guess they expect to made the money back by selling games and and other not China-made stuff.
“Fox viewers are stupid” should hardly be news to anyone by now.
I mean Sony and Humble Bundle do actually push those price increases onto others. They maintain their prices in the US, but raise them in Europe. A Humble Bundle subscription now includes IGN??? I’m sure there are other examples.
The logical thing to do is of course boycotting the companies that do, but since I’m not their customer there isn’t anything really I can do. Besides I am mostly just pirating stuff these days. Being able to afford food is somehow more important.This person very clearly understands what is happening, hence the second sentence. It’s just phrased in a way to not immediately cause magas to engage in their rejecting of reality at the site of criticism.
Truly a sage.
It’s thyme.
Whereas the normal fox news viewers are a bunch of dill weeds.
Very thin ones though
I think more people need to approach it like this. Human’s minds are designed to think with their group and resistant to change. If you actually want to change minds, insults and accusations will immediately put them into fight mode and they will defend their ideology. But if you don’t attack their ideals and approach in a friendly kind of way, it will lead them to questioning their leader’s choices. It’s hard, I know. Their leader has made some shoot-themselves-in-the-foot choices and makes their conviction an easy target to attack. Insults and attacks may even be a way of letting off steam, but if you actually want change, it has to be a smart and kinder approach. It won’t be an immediate change, but it will be gradual and large over time.
We tried being reasonable for decades and that didn’t work becsuse they want to believe the propaganda they comsume. We won’t win them over by being kinder. That only works on reasonable people who care about facts.
They can go fuck themselves.
And this attitude will only continue to cement their position against reason…congrats, you have fucked yourself
Well, i mean, someone has to and i have no other applicants, at the moment.
We tried being reasonable for decades and that didn’t work
Inviting the individual while painting them all with a broad brush is not helpful. Individuals can be reached.
You’re right. Addressing the group doesn’t work. So stop doing that.
Wow, your right such a different result of what has and is currently happening… /S fuck those scum they will never change.
Part of the problem is that our models of knowledge were flawed. The basis was the information deficit model; the assumption was that people were missing data, and that if they learned more they would shift their understanding.
It turns out that this isn’t a good fit for human psychology, but approaches based on it still persist today.
Another problem is a fundamental misunderstanding of world views. People on the left tend to think that equality is a good thing and should be a goal. People on the right do not believe in equality. Not in the sense that they opposed it, they literally don’t believe it is possible. So any attempt to improve the lot of the worst-off is interpreted as an attempt to disrupt the hierarchy, ultimately ending up worse off for themselves. “You’re just jealous and want to be in charge.”
I think that there are communication strategies that can work, but maybe not. Humans have suffered under hierarchy for millennia, and maybe we are too flawed as a species.
It may seem unfair that the left would have to put so much effort into communicating with the right, who doesn’t give a fuck. That’s true, but the forces of hierarchy have had many more centuries to refine their propaganda. And what the left asks is for change and growth, while the right merely asks for a return to the way humans lived for most of civilization: a powerful few getting all the benefits and most of humanity struggling to survive.
It may seem unfair that the left would have to put so much effort into communicating with the right, who doesn’t give a fuck.
It’s about, nay, exactly the same reason why therapy is harder than causing trauma. The good news is that not causing trauma is not as hard as fixing it so it’ll get easier over the generations, the important bit is to find ways to effectively chip away at things.
Looking at the US, and thinking a bit out of the box: Start by de-normalising hitting kids, and don’t shy away from “if you don’t, then they’ll be able to get better jobs” type of arguments. You might think “but but am I not advocating for individualist turbo capitalism like that” – not really. Or at least not in the long term: To make anyone listen you have to simultaneously teach parents how to deal with the little shits in a non-hierarchical way, thus also teaching the kids that that’s possible, making them more prone to act like that once they’re adults. The “think of your kid’s career” part is just the hook, the rest is prefiguring Anarchy. Baby steps but hey you gotta start somewhere.
You’re not wrong, “Being reasonable” can be saying “you are wrong! And here’s why…” and as you said, that doesn’t work. And kindness doesn’t work either. I suggest we be less confrontational when trying to help them understand other views. It’s hard and nuisanced. It’s like saying “I’m not against you, but you’re choices and support are not working the way you think they are”, but in a clever way that isn’t so obvious.
Yeah, fuck these guys that are trampling over human right… but like, I also would like change to happen. Being reasonable and kind isn’t working. Neither is aggression.
They are quite literally in a cult.
The cognitive dissonance underlying their worldview is being exposed and demonstrated, and they are very obviously unable to fully reconcile basic logic and empirical reality with the idea that dear leader is a madman, and that they are cult thralls of a madman, and that he is doing exactly what he said he would do, and that they are fools for trusting in him.
Delusional cult members do not have coherent, consistent worldviews, they are full of contradictions, which are usually squelched by thought terminating cliches, highly emotional motivated reasoning (ie, ‘faith’), having your own identity and personality be heavily intertwined with and dependant on the cult.
They would have to be deprogrammed like former Heavens Gate cult members or something similar.
Their minds will likely never function reasonably again. While some may be able to pull themselves out of it, similar to someone raised in a fundamentalist setting who deconverts via thorough critical skepticism… most of them are not capable of that, and will instead seek to blame shift to protect their own egos.
… Thats all to say, this person seemingly logically putting it together… but also not accepting their own logic?
This is quite normal for a cult member.
Lots and lots of cults do lots and lots of social conditioning to make the cult member accept or ignore or deflect from any objective criticisms.
That is basically what all religious apologetics is, after all.
There’s been studies that far right fascist supports have a smaller “empathy” section to their brain. You have to know how to approach soaking to someone like that. They only care about stuff when it affects them. In order to reach these people, you need to highlight that these things ARE hurting them, and it will continue to get worse.
You are describing most of my family.
I have degrees in Econ and Poli Sci.
I explained everything to them, how it would hurt them, in detail, for years.
Didn’t work.
I now live many states away from them, seeing as the last time I talked to my dad he was full QAnon bonkers, and also building ghost guns (untraceable AR 15s and AR 18s) in his garage.
Logic doesn’t work when too much of their personal identity is wrapped into the cult identity.
last time I talked to my dad he was full QAnon bonkers, and also building ghost guns (untraceable AR 15s and AR 18s) in his garage
Might be worth getting him to supply you a couple before the magats go full kristallnacht on everyone they think is a “Lib” (or LGBTQ, or black, or brown or, or or…)
… I haven’t talked to him in years because he is a dangerous lunatic, abusive narcissist asshole who’s fucked over my life and the lives of other people he supposedly cares abouy many times, he was already great at lying and gaslighting before Trump came along.
If I felt I needed such a weapon, I could assemble one myself.
But there’s really no point to going to all the trouble he did to avoid serial numbers… unless you actively plan on picking up a bunch of weapons charges in addition to the charges for whatever crime you committed with the gun…
… unless you are astonishingly lucky and/or good at opsec and concealing whatever you actually use the weapon for… and can successfully dump/destroy then weapon, and have a good alibi, etc etc…
He… also doesn’t seem to realize that… he still had to buy parts and assemble them… and all those parts can be traced … he wasn’t getting recievers and milling/tapping tools and shit shipped to him cross country via a cash transaction lol, he was using a card, online, and even if he was using dark web crypto markets, which I am 99.99% sure he is too computer incompetent to figure out, well those dark web markets get hacked (by the FBI/DHS/INTERPOL) and busted fairly frequently.
He’s already got a criminal record from DUIs. If he actually ever used one of those ARs for anything other than hunting animals, even legitimate self defense, he’d end up in prison.
Errm, I’m sorry to hear that, and I hope you’re healing now you’re away from him. Apologies for triggering.
Part of me wants to yell at you for … not understanding what kind of person a QAnon nutter who makes ghost guns is…
The other part is gonna try to just say: Yeah, I legitimately have been fairly recently diagnosed with PTSD… and I’m just gonna try to calm down.
It’s both.
It’s amazing is how they also talk about the profit motive being king… but then toss that out the window when they think they are like old school overlords demanding tribute from their underlings…
They still value profit over everything. Problem is they’re still operating on feels over reals.
I mean, the commenter is right. Both can be true. I’d even say both is true.
Trump is not understanding tariffs and is lying.
I’m pretty sure “Spice Melange” is trolling. Idk how someone would understand and enjoy the plot of Dune (assuming the book because IDK if they even used that term in the movies) with this poor of an understanding of how trade works.
They might be trolling, but right wingers are notoriously bad a media literacy.
One of the book details not carried through to the movie is the Baron’s plan to put Rabban in charge initially to fuck shit up and make everybody hate him, and then hand Arrakis over to Feyd-Rautha who would seem like a savior since he (supposedly) wouldn’t be as big of a dick as Rabban. Trump-to-Vance may have a similar arc.
There is a whole SouthPark episode about Tom Bradys poop where they repetitively use the term.
They definitely used the term in the Lynch movie, but if you can follow that plot you may be even smarter than a reader of the book heh
The cheatsheets they handed out in theaters in 1984 helped lol.
That’s awesome, I want to see one of these cheatsheets now
Edit: I just found a pic of one of the cheatsheets online and it was a little underwhelming, but I still love that they made it.
I should take a look at it. When I saw the movie in theaters, I contemptuously threw mine away without looking at it as I’d read all the books.
He who controls the Spice controls the Universe.
Cost to US consumer is $0? What kind of economy would that be lmao
These people don’t understand that people in other countries are full human beings that don’t worship at the altar of american exceptionalism
The economy of US propaganda where the US is so strong and either loved or feared and such an important market that everyone from all other countries will bow to them and ignore making a profit to appease the mighty Murica, because they are simply the greatest in the world.
Not to be confused with reality, where most of the world hates the US.
Yearning for the 1950s when 70% of the world manufacturing base was rubble.
Gee look, they are orchastrating another world war where they can create those conditions again!
American Exceptionalism!
I saw a similar thing in Britain during the Leave Campaign - lots of arguments of the “when we’re out the EU will give us most of the rights members have, but without the obligations” kind, anchored only on British Exceptionalism, and enough people fell for it that Leave won.
Nationalist Delusions Of Grandeur is on hell of a drug.
The UK already had that when they were in, but that was apparently not a good enough deal for them.
Being an EU member comes with both Rights and Obligations and the objective was to have the former without the latter.
In fact the Referendum was done because the UK wanted to not to have to obbey the Freedom Of Movement rules for EU citizens entering its country (i.e. the Obligation) whilst keeping it for its citizens entering other EU countries (i.e. the Right) and was using the threat of holding a Leave Referendum to try and blackmail the rest of the EU, and the rest of the EU said “No!”
(This was actually just the later of a long series of instances of the British Government using that technique to get from the rest of the EU “exceptions” from the EU treaties, which went all the way back to Thatcher’s time and was how Britain had so many exceptions that nobody else had).
The British Exceptionalism part is that many Britons genuinelly expected they would get that (and also similarly for a lot of other Rights and Obligations, such as being able to import bleached chicken from the US at the same time as having open and uncontrolled access to the Free Market were such food products are forbidden) from the EU as part of the Leave Negotiations.
They could have just gotten some regular chicken and sold it with a little bottle of bleach attached. They really didn’t have to resort to such dramatic measures. But that’s UK politics I suppose.
Indeed.
Like Marmite, nobody would have stopped them from selling whatever disgusting seasoning they favour on the side. It’s the having it pre-added that’s the problem!
The UK was never part of the Schengen zone. You could not enter the UK from Europe without a passport.
Yes. The “exception” was that the UK could stay out of the Schengen zone.
Agree with most, but I would say the main reason the referendum was held because of domestic politics - Cameron was confident Remain would win, and wanted to shut up UKIP and the Eurosceptic wing of his own party.
I would say that either without the other would not have ended up in that Referendum being held.
