Yes. I understand what this person is saying.

I was not saying that this person thought the phenomenon did not exist or was made up.

My point is they are unwanted but won’t go away. That is why they are intrusive.

It is not any big mystery. It is a well known phenomenon. You try not to think of the thoughts, because they cause great pain, and the thoughts happen more.

What is the problem here? What is the great problem in calling them by a name that makes experiential sense? Nothing. There is no problem.

These intrusive thoughts often involve harming people we love. Which is like being tortured for hours daily, and months, and even years for some. We don’t want to think these thoughts, but they keep intruding on us.

Why do we not want to think of these thoughts as “our thoughts”? Because if they are our thoughts (or if they are us) then we are horrific monsters.

But through years of torture many of us have, emerged from the ruins of our life, and learned that we are not monsters. We are just being tortured by the monster of existence.