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      I’m pretty sure Pepe was only temporarily coopted by the far rights, and has since been reclaimed.

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        I didn’t ask and I don’t care. If people reclaimed the Swastika tomorrow but it continues to be used by trumpets and alt-right, then I sure as hell won’t start accepting it.

        We don’t need it. It isn’t necessary. Let it go.

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          You’re right. Hey lemmy, lets all accommodate this one guys specific likes and dislikes so he doesn’t get his lil feels hurt!

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            “Hey everybody, cartoon frogs with a history of hate speech are more important to me than basic human empathy.”

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          Almost every meme template has been used to make alt-right nonsense, do we just abandon any symbol they pick up for their misdeeds? Or do we push back and refuse to allow them that kind of control over our culture?

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            Very few and far between were exclusive to the right. Pepe was. It started as theirs and continued to be theirs for a long time, in my opinion still continues to be theirs. You few fighting for the symbol’s continued use in good faith (if you are) are not the majority.

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                It started as a french cartoon and got coopted into the feelsbadman meme format in 2009 and then skyrocketed in popularity and mainstream use in 2015-2016 by pro-trump conservatives.

                Even if it were present in every single greentext like some sort of bizarre requirement, it still would have more use by nazis and propogandists than anyone else.

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          An icon represents what the people think it represents.

          An icon can also have different meanings to different people. It’s ok if you don’t like it. But I don’t think it’s fair to say that the majority of people that use or share Pepe are from one specific ideological group

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            Myself and a great many people associate it with hate speech and you’re continuing to use it regardless. That tells more about you than me.

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              I’m just gonna go ahead and say ratio’d. And yes, I’ve read all of the discourse ITT.

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          the swastika was originally a religious icon used and still used in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jianism, i wouldn’t consider them Nazis… Context matters

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            Imagine unironically saying we should normalize nazi swastikas. If that’s not what it takes for you to reevaluate your stance, then you’re a lost cause.

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              the symbol predates Germany, initial findings date it back to 3300-1300 BC. you’re telling me all historical religious symbols in Asian countries should wiped of the icon because of Nazis misappropriating their symbol? you would literally deface ancient sites that predate nazis by thousands of years because you can only see it as a symbol of hate?

              you can use context clues such as actual hate speech, nazi slogans and genocide to distinguish those that are actually racist. the whole point of nazism is to erase culture and replace it with only the “one true race”. by allowing nazis and white supremacists to appropriate symbols you’re actively giving them power.

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                So then, you think Nazi Swastikas without context should be allowed without any repercussions. I saw your first comment, I don’t see why you think using more words to say the same thing would make it any different.

                Here are some questions: How does punishing nazis for using symbols of hate and intolerance empower them? How does allowing them to do so freely harm them in contrast?

                You do not need to use a nazi swastika. A world where they are not allowed in public is a world where people feel safe and comfortable. Just as you do not need to use the frog. The frog is unimportant and only continues to exist because people like you fight for it.

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                  literally my first comment said context matters. if you see an image with hate speech maybe its the speech that you should pay attention to.

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                    Yes, again, I’ve read your comments and understood them. Maybe you’re the one having comprehension troubles, here?

                    I don’t see how this comment in any way argues against any of my statements. You either never disagreed with me to begin with about swastikas being bannable outside of specific religious contexts, or you want contextless hate speech to be allowed as a blanket rule. There is no in-between.

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            Lmao, what a wild assumption that they could take whatever icons they like, with no basis in reality.

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              Lmao, what a wild assumption that they could take whatever icons they like, with no basis in reality.

              that’s…. exactly what they do buddy. you don’t seem the type to care for counter-examples so i won’t even try and list any of the many, many fucking instances of this happening irl

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                Ohmygod you’re right just look at the countless examples:

                • Pepe the Frog 2015

                • Swastika 1907

                • ??

                They can really just take whatever they want! /sarcasm

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              You don’t have to explain why fascist symbols are bad, there. You might find most lemmygraders to be pretty reasonable.

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                  mournfully flipping the counter back to “0” on the “it has been X days since a turbolib said something deeply homophobic” sign

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                  So are you saying nazi leadership in Ukraine isn’t nazi?

                  And all nazi symbols they use in their military isn’t nazi?

                  You’re confusing.

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                    There it is! Tankies are so “reasonable” being aligned with authoritarian warmongers. Idk why you proclaim to be so against nazis when you share so much of your ideology with them.