Since my last post yesterday, lemmy.world has added over 3000 new users, bringing the total user count to 22000 today (source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list). It firmly holds the position of the second-largest lemmy instance, passing beehaw.org by a large margin of 10000 users.
In other news, beehaw has defederated from lemmy.world a few hours ago. How does the third-largest instance only have 4 mods admins for its 12000 users?!
So much going on!
I find it very confusing that they are defederating. Beehaw users can choose to watch local content only. Why damage the federation in this crucial time?
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It seems odd to me that Beehaw would choose a federated model if this is truly their approach.
The whole point of federation is that you’ll have everyone from everywhere in your community, with exceptions for bad actors.
If Beehaw says “We want our community to be unified and work exactly as we say” it just seems like they should have forked Tildes or something?
I was talking to one of the Beehaw admins the other day and I think they mentioned they came from Tildes because they disagreed with how Deimos was running things or something like that. But Tildes is open-source and non-federated, so it seems like the more natural place to jump to for what they want to do?
Yeah, why pioneer a free and open platform just so you can curate a censored and closed echo chamber? That’s why I chose Kbin, ernest seems much more interested in the success and development of the community and platform than enforcing whatever flavor of ideology.
I am not sure I follow. If you can be in beehaw, choose to only watch your’s instance, and engaging in other instances only when you want - what’d the downside? I feel like I am missing something.
People outside beehaw can still comment there and people inside beehaw would still see these comments.
This posts explains better how it works https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/24341/How-the-beehaw-defederation-affects-us
Wait, I don’t think thats right. Unless I am missunderstanding it?
comment is going to be sent to every version of that post via ActivityPub, as the “true” version has been updated. That is, every version EXCEPT lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. So users on lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works won’t get that comment, because we’ve been defederated from beehaw.org. If we write a comment, it will only be visible from accounts on lemmy.world, because we posted to a copy, but our copy is now out of sync with the “true” version. So we can appear to interact with the post, but those interactions are ONLY visible by other lemmy.world accounts, since our comments aren’t send to other versions. As the “true” version is hosted on beehaw, and we no longer get beehaw updates due to defederation, we will not see comments from ANY other community on those posts (including from other defederated instances like sh.itjust.works)
Now that BeeHaw has defederated, they won’t see any comments from lemmy.world/shitjustworks users in their own communities.
If they kept federation, those users would be able to comment on beehaw.org communities.
Sorry for the confusion, I meant that, if they didn’t defederate and their users just kept on their ‘local’ feed, they’d still see outside comments.
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Huh, ok, I get it now. I am sad to see the beehaw go. I actualy tried to make an account there but was rejected without notice for whatever reson. I will really miss their communities.
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I can hardly disagree with the Beehaw admins at this stage, but it’s still a shame to see it happen.
I echo your statements.
You should still be able to view and comment on beehaw as normal so you don’t have to miss those communities. Defederation is a one way street. So it’s just like lemmy.world doesn’t exist as far as beehaw is concerned. We can’t have any impact on their vote counts from their perspective, they won’t see our comments regardless of the instance it’s posted on, they can’t visit any communities from lemmy.world, etc. But unless lemmy.world defederates from beehaw we will still be able to view, vote on, comment on, etc anything from beehaw as normal. It’s just that you are less likely to get any sort of interaction so you are disincentivized from doing so. Technically we could still comment on a beehaw post and anyone from lemmy.world or any other instance that hasn’t defederates with us would still be able to see and reply to that comment.
Edit: for anyone reading this, the truth is somewhere in between. See the link to the post in the comment below mine to get more clarification.
That’s very interesting. I didn’t realize it worked that way. You’re saying when one instance comments on a external instance the comment itself is still hosted by the first instance? It is hosted in the first instance and and update is sent to the external instance which would host a duplicate copy (but in this case is rejected)?
I’ve read most of the Lemmy documentation but these nuances of the architecture aren’t well covered.
Edit: just found this post which clarifies it all: https://lemmy.world/post/149743
Thanks for the link. It cleared up a slight misunderstanding that I had as well.
Nah, de-federation means they won’t be seeing anything from lemmy.world on:
- local posts
- lemmy.world posts
They will still see lemmy.world comments on other instances, but lemmy.world posts won’t appear on the ALL sorting.
In the same way lemmy.world won’t be able to see beehaw posts.
Basically,
- local only concerns posts that have been submitted on beehaw communities
- All concerns posts submitted on any instance that is federated and to which at least one user on the instance is subbed to.
No, they can choose to see content from local communities. The users posting in those communities, and the people commenting on those posts, can still come from any federated site.
A lot of users joined Lemmy.world due to the open sign ups. Whether they will be lurking or not remains to be seen.
Yeah I used to lurk on reddit, but trying to be more active on lemmy.world. I’m a fan of what’s going on with lemmy and kbin.
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I missed what happened with mastodon.social. What moderation tools were missing?
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It would be amazing if Lemmy implemented silencing/muting instances, it would make a great middle ground between fully federating or defederating so that it’s less binary and absolutist, and allows more individual freedom within mod actions. I think having a spectrum of choices when it comes to interaction will help social media networks a lot, because it means there are more ways to deal with problems and it more mirrors real life social groups, which means the dynamics are less artificial and distorted.
As I understand it, on Lemmy media is hosted on your instance only. When you see a picture from a user on another instance, you’re loading it from their instance.
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Gotcha. Do we know if lemmy is getting something like that soon?
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There is also the sister project kbin.social, it pulls in Lemmy and Mastodon content. We’re currently working on getting more instances set up for kbin and there are more features being added as well. kbin.social is the “main instance” but I think there are like 10 or 15 now in total that have been spun up.
I believe this is the link that shows the other instances: https://the-federation.info/platform/184 (I’m not 100% sure because it appears to be down at the time of me writing this comment)
bug/feature requests for kbin: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core
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There is also the sister project kbin.social, it pulls in Lemmy and Mastodon content. We’re currently working on getting more instances set up for kbin and there are more features being added as well. kbin.social is the “main instance” but I think there are like 10 or 15 now in total that have been spun up.
I believe this is the link that shows the other instances: https://the-federation.info/platform/184 (I’m not 100% sure because it appears to be down at the time of me writing this comment)
bug/feature requests for kbin: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core
The moderators.
That’s a fun way to call all the moderators tools :D
I saw on one of their post that they now have 36 mods, but I guess that’s still not enough.
I think you’re right, they have 4 admins. Corrected my post. Thanks!
Exciting to see such incredible growth in such a short time! I do feel like that until moderation tools improve some instances might do something similar to beehaw. Given beehaw noted it was hopefully a temporary solution and they have stricter content guidelines than most instances.
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Is beehaw heavily moderated or something?
I mean they just defederated from two of the biggest instances (including lemmy.world) and have the largest list of blocked instances of any instance
Beware of bots and cyber attacks, dear lemmy!
The growth right now is crazy, my chosen site/instance/? is struggling to stay up. I‘m really excited for this like I haven‘t been for any website in a good decade.
What’s your chosen instance? And yeah, I haven’t been this excited since the whole digg vs. reddit switch back in 2010. And then there’s mastodon this past year. I remember reading about needing decentralized social media back then, and now it’s finally here.
It’s currently at 6k monthly active users, which is significant. However, it’s important to note that there are already 16k abandoned accounts.
One of those is mine, after finding out that LemmyNSFW can’t reach lemmy.ml, but FMHY can reach both. Probably not the only one.
I have an account on the exact same instances for the same reasons 😆 However, FMHY allows NSFW content, so it’s only a matter of time before Lemmy.ml blocks it.
Yeah, it’s sad. I guess it makes sense; just now I saw two posts from “lewd loli” from another instance in my “all” feed, and I imagine that’d be awkward if it happened to lemmy.ml. It does mean I’ll need a separate NSFW and SFW account, of which one will probably just be ignored completely. Or I could spin up my own instance, so small nobody will bother to block it.
If this stuff really catches on I predict there will be services built around setting up private instances for that purpose.
Lol, ChatGPT
EDIT: I see I wasnt the first to notice now.
You aren’t replying to the correct comment.
Where do you find that info? I want to track that.
On the sidebar of the main page of the lemmy.world website.
How did you extrapolate 16000 abandoned accounts when lemmy.world was just created a couple weeks ago?
If you claim that there are 22k accounts, but only 6k of them are active users, then there would be 22k - 6k = 16k abandoned accounts.
What you said still doesn’t make sense.
Normally, an account is considered inactive after a few months of inactivity and subsequently abandoned after maybe a year or more of inactivity (depending on whether the service enforces this).
The oldest account on this instance is about 2 weeks old.
Then one of those two figures is wrong. If the oldest account is 2 weeks old, there should be 22k active users per month instead of 6k. So, I don’t know.
The active user count is the count of all unique users from an instance that made a comment or a post within the last month. So that means we have 6k people posting and commenting and 16k lurkers.
Here are some of the monthly active user statistics for various social media platforms, according to the search results:
- Facebook - 2.96 billion monthly active users (MAUs) [1]
- YouTube - 2.56 billion MAUs[2]
- WhatsApp - 2 billion MAUs[3]
- Instagram - 2 billion MAUs[3][4]
- WeChat - 1.26 billion MAUs[2]
- TikTok - 1 billion MAUs[2]
- Facebook Messenger - 988 million MAUs[2]
- Snapchat - 557 million MAUs[2]
- Pinterest - 444 million MAUs[2]
- Twitter - 368 million MAUs[5]
It’s worth noting that these numbers are subject to change and may vary depending on the source. Additionally, there are many other social media platforms with significant user bases that are not listed here. When choosing which social media platforms to use for your brand, it’s important to consider the relevance to your target audience and the quality of engagement on each platform, rather than just the number of users.
Citations:
[1] https://buffer.com/library/social-media-sites/
[2] https://www.semrush.com/blog/most-popular-social-media-platforms/
[3] https://datareportal.com/social-media-users
[4] https://statusbrew.com/insights/social-media-statistics/
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_at_least_100_million_active_users
Ok ChatGPT.
Can people please not do that?
Try and stop me.
Haha no. I thought you are a bot account that responded to some keywords and saw that this isn’t the case after I sent my comment. I’m not a fan of copying ChatGPT answers, but this is still very different.
…ChatGPT?
Or Bing Chat?
No
Which one then? This reads like AI generated.
I don’t promote closed source software sorry.
No
