• Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      And? So is where I grew up in the southern US. There are states I can’t legally visit anymore if I want to piss in a public restroom. That doesn’t mean I’m okay with bombing most of the hospitals, schools, and homes there and killing tens of thousands of civilians. Anyone OK with that because they’re bigoted in some way has a fucking moral deficiency.

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        This doesn’t make any sense - if anything it’s backwards. being oppressed doesn’t give anyone a free pass to oppress others. That kind of twisted logic is what Israel uses to get away with murder.

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          Fun fact, you can’t find anywhere in my comment that says “being oppressed makes oppressing others okay” because that’s not what it says. It says that parents potentially being bigoted isn’t an excuse to blow up their fucking children.

          I’ve yet to have anyone give me a satisfactory explanation for why Palestinian kids deserve to have their limbs blown off or killed for living in an area hostile to LGBT people, but the people I grew up with who are equally hostile to LGBT people don’t deserve to have their kids’ limbs blown off or killed. If the answer is “American children are simply worth more than Palestinian children” then they should just come out and say it, but all I ever get is bleating about the same shit I already addressed.

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            I’ve yet to have anyone give me a satisfactory explanation for why Palestinian kids deserve to have their limbs blown off or killed for living in an area hostile to LGBT people

            Is anyone actually saying this? What I usually see, like “queers for Palestine” is the opposite — people who excuse the extreme homophobia and misogyny in Islamic countries.

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              You are in a thread that started with a 1 day old account JAQing off about how transphobic Palestine is on a post about Palestinians campaigning for LGBT rights. If you don’t see that the purpose of that comment is to legitimize violence against Palestine I can’t help you.

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                If that’s the case then OP is an enormous jackass. That still doesn’t change the fact that queer Palestinians are absolutely being oppressed in their country (or what should be a country) and this is too often swept under the rug.

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        Most of the southern US won’t stone you or murder you in broad daylight though. What’s happening in Palestine and Israel is fucked up, but it doesn’t give a pass to the shit they do to the LGTBQ+ and women over there.

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          I think everyone even Arabs agree that the majority of people is homophobic/transphobic. Fine.

          But please state a source for people in Palestine being stoned, like at all, no matter the reason. What kind of place do you think Palestine is?

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            https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81112&page=1

            You’re joking right? There are literal laws all over the middle east in Islamic run nations about stoning people, just type stoning and middle east(ps this doesnt exclude Israel, they’ve arrested their own who have done it) into Google and you’re going to get a ton of results. Why is this shocking? Sharia law has it as a form of punishment.

            In recent times, stoning has been a legal or customary punishment in Iran, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, northern Nigeria, Afghanistan, Brunei, and tribal parts of Pakistan, including northwest Kurram Valley and the northwest Khwezai-Baezai region though it is rarely carried out.[1][2][3][4] In some of these countries, including Afghanistan, it has been carried out extrajudicially by militants, tribal leaders, and others.[2] In some other countries, including Nigeria and Pakistan, although stoning is a legal form of punishment, it has never been legally carried out. Stoning is condemned by human rights organizations.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#

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              Not joking at all. Don’t show me a Wikipedia article, show me a newspaper article about someone being stoned in Palestine.

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                  So we’re talking about stoning people that’s allegedly happening due to violations of sharia law and you bring up a story from 2001 so probably during the second intifada about an incident involving illegal Israeli settlers.

                  I wanted to assume that you maybe just don’t know better but this is just bad faith from your side.

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                Hamas doesn’t really do stonings, so you appear to be correct. It looks like just about every execution committed by Hamas involved a firing squad, most often performed in public.

                Hamas does torture and execute people for suspicion of being gay, though, even their own commanders.

                Free Palestine. Fuck the IDF and Hamas.

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                  Yeah that was my point. It’s not that Arab societies are like super progressive and Palestinian people are suddenly angels just because they are victims of genocide. It’s just that doing stonings is an archaic practice that doesn’t exist in the Levant. Like people might be very conservative and live in authoritarian societies, but they still live in the 21st century and they don’t want that shit.

                  That being said Hamas absolutely sucks, they are violent, corrupt dictators and while they currently are the biggest armed resistance against the ongoing colonization they shouldn’t have any place in a free Palestine.

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      So are you saying that Orthodox Jews and conservative Christians aren’t transphobic, or that we should go Gaza on Texas?

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      The more we keep killing them the faster they will realize they must be the violent barbarians that should adopt our culture.

      That’s how this works right?

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    There are some folks who can’t comprehend the mentality of:

    “They hate us so they don’t deserve to die”

    Wow, get out of your tribalistic hole

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      Why? America was/is still super homophobic should Americans stop?