Egyptian and US mediators have reported signs of compromise in recent days and Egyptian state news channel Al-Qahera said on Saturday that a consensus had been reached in the indirect talks over many of the disputed points but gave no further details. However, many analysts remain pessimistic after five months of stop-start talks that have frequently broken down
Something I’m struggling to understand: if people say Hamas does not represent Palestine, why are they the ones representing Gaza diplomatically? Shouldn’t the UN or someone step in so that Gazans can decide who their government is first, before anybody can make decisions for them – especially a group of deeply corrupt oligarchs based in a different country?
That would be nice but Palestinians never get a seat at the table when it comes to talks about things in the region. They were left out of the Abraham accords which was meant to normalize relations in the region with Israel and they’ll be left out of this because Israel wants to keep being able to steam roll them. Not let them have any kind of platform or position to be able to negotiate.
Not let them have any kind of platform or position to be able to negotiate.
And yet Israel is negotiating with Hamas?..
Yeah israel is “negotiating” out of free will and not because Hamas had to kidnap hundreds of people to get them at the negotiating table.
For the same reason that dictatorial regimes are still negotiated with to end wars.
“They represent the popular will” and “They represent the ability of the region to continue fighting” are two different things.
Whoever represents a country is whoever has military control over the land and population inhabiting that country. Very rarely is there any other option (e.g. exiled leader).
Also, the UN is mostly a tool of the 5 veto-wielding members of the security council, who’ve done nothing to prevent Israel’s genocide — They are incapable of representing, and don’t deserve to represent, the Palestinian people.
Whoever represents a country is whoever has military control over the land and population inhabiting that country. Very rarely is there any other option (e.g. exiled leader).
Belgium in WW1, France and Greece during WW2, Spain during Franco, and I’m sure there are others… It isn’t that uncommon. I’m not suggesting the UN occupies Gaza permanently, but Gazans should be able to decide who represents them (and I sure hope it isn’t Hamas).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
Short answer, it’s complicated because the last time Palestine had an election this is who the Palestinian people voted for. But there also hasn’t been an election like that in a very long time
Also, Israel and the US didn’t like their choice, hence the PA which is considered highly corrupt and propped up by Israel and the US.
So for better or Elmore, Hamas is who the Palestinian people voted for (at one point). Their designation as a terrorist organization is largely a western government thing. The UN does not recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization.
This is true, but it seems to me like an Italy in WW2 kind of situation (sorry for all the WW2 parallels, folks) where a government was voted in but overstayed its welcome, to put it mildly.
You are projecting how you’d like to interpret things into a situation where the facts on the ground simply don’t agree with you.
Hamas has around 90% approval in Gaza:
I agree with the sentiment and would love to see free and fair democratic elections in Palestine. But if public sentiment if the governed is what we’re going by, then both the Republican and Democratic party in the US are less legitimate than Hamas. Weird metaphor but there it is. If elections were tomorrow, Hamas would win in a landslide. It’s part of the reason why Israel and the US have prevented elections for as long as they have.
Hamas has around 90% approval in Gaza:
I’m sorry, but that’s not what the article says. 90% of respondents think Abbas should resign, but that is separate from “approval”. FTA:
Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.
Sorry about that, you are correct.
Regardless, the article does show significant support for Hamas among the Palestinian people.
The Palestinian people are faced with the option of a corrupt puppet government obviously controlled by Israel and the US, or an extreme, basically terrorist but at least they’ll fight for you Hamas.
if your goal is survival who do you pick?
Regardless, the article does show significant support for Hamas among the Palestinian people.
Do you think there might be a good reason for that? Say, their children getting wiped out by the thousands?
Fighting against an Apartheid, truly the most “extreme” people lmao.
Not fighting means you’re guaranteed to be fully Genocided and Ethnically Cleansed. As we can see in the West Bank. The only option left for Palestinians is to fight, or roll over and die.
Can we really trust those figures? I’m sure the Kims in the DPRK enjoy very high “approval ratings” too. What is the cost of saying you disapprove?
The UN can’t step in.
The US protects Israel from UN intervention.
The people of Gaza haven’t been able to have an election for about 18 years because of conditions there.
Netanyahu’s faction in Israel initially helped Hamas because they wanted to “divide and conquer” so that the Palestinians didn’t have one government and couldn’t negotiate a two state solution.
No elections because Hamas wouldn’t allow any form of democracy. I know people are (rightfully) focused on Israel right now, but let us not forget what massive pieces of shit the Hamas leadership is. As far as I can tell this is the exact situation they were aiming for. Endless war. A situation we (as Americans or just humans in general, take your pick) have been, are, and most likely will continue to enable and inflame.
Same as it ever was
let us not forget
I was specifically explaining to that person why the international community is not able to intervene via the UN.
Hamas leadership is shitty too, I agree, but in factual terms it simply lacks the power to singlehandedly prevent an international intervention.
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Israel is refusing a permanent ceasefire and Netanyahu has said that he will invade Rafah even if a ceasefire is reached (lol).
Unless Biden puts enough pressure on israel to force a permanent ceasefire the Genocide will continue. Hamas is never going to accept a “temporary pause” in exchange for all the hostages they would be brain damaged to do so.
